I’m wondering if anyone has worked with this book before, comments from someone who has tried the rituals in it.
Stay away from books. Especially about spirits like Lilith Lucifer, and Hekate. People be saying literally anything about those entities these days, while others even gatekeep on advise regarding Lilith or Hekate. (especially the wiccan types who worship anything feminine and act all wise about it)
I was going to do the binding spell in the book, why did you say stay away from the books?
Cause authors will just rehash stuff with their own style just to sell their own system, which may have ill intent. If not, then it’s to sell a product using preexisting ideas while presenting it as unique.
I don’t know, I’m not very interested in lilith but someone in this thread says that she did the ritual I mentioned.
I haven’t worked with that book but Baal Kadmon has pretty good material as far as what I have worked with. He actually does research and presents how he comes to the conclusions he does for the most part.
I assume since many of his other books stand, this one does too.
I agree about using an ounce of discernment with anything you use, but I personally value the ability to increase my knowledge on topics that are not talked about or studied publicly and toss the parts that are bullshit as I go.
It’s no different than reading a journal on balg where I disagree about something or it’s something which I find highly subjective.
The only real difference is the need to use my own discernment with media I read or expose my self to and at least on balg there is a chance someone say, hey wtf. But that’s still only a chance, and your own discretion should always be used.
Whats your opinion on his book about binding the Djinn?
I myself feel like its a big mistake to attempt to even bind them
In my opinion we misunderstand what it does when we bind a spirit to an object.
It causes that object to take on their energy, and to essentially only take on their energy, thusly making it a fine tool to connect to the spirit in question with, but unless they are not a multi dimensional spirit you are not usually preventing them leaving or actually containing them in the object.
You are actually just creating an item that makes it very easy to experience the spirit through as it’s full of their energy- even if they didn’t come forward, you might still think they did if you pick up an item with a bound spirit, As their energy is connected to that item constantly, but it doesn’t put any physical constraints on them.
You could liken it to create a direct line of communication to the spirit in question, in many cases though.
The exception would be shades of the dead, thought forms or any spirit that doesn’t have the ability to use their spiritual bodies to transverse the planes.
I find very few spirits that are completely unaware and essentially stuck in the planes around us, but that’s likely due to the fact I banish and don’t go many places, so I wouldn’t.
I actually used that particular book, did receive a djinn and her name and worked with her for a little while before deciding that servitors were better suited for someone who wanted a spirit that would be 100% present as like I said, I just don’t think most humans are actually fully binding the spirit at all, but rather binding the spirits energy into the item.
Also think these cruel and disrespectful practices have been around for ages. Most spirits that reside in these pantheons are not going to be surprised at yet another confused newbie that has no idea what’s up.
The ones who are respectful and trying to find approaches that works and makes sense might find these spirits will help you learn to practice in away that does both what you want and doesn’t encroach or encourage these aspects you dislike.
Odds of finding a system without any religious or otherwise filter placed upon them that have been proven to work are lower than those like these that seem cruel simply because we haven’t had them or we haven’t shared them at least in a format that has withstood, so for something’s you will have to work on your own and see what you think.
I haven’t seen that book, but it depends on the Djinn. Some djinn are freindly and reverted as gods they’re so beneficial. I’d suggest starting with those to get a feel for the energy.
The ones that have to be bound won’t help you any other way because they’re not friendly and don’t want to help, so you have to make them, which you do by binding them to make them hear you, and using names of god/superior spirits to both give authority and tell them what to do. A chain of command type thing.
If I recall he discusses the types to help you call the right ones and his rituals are designed to call one to you for a specific purpose or type of request (like for love) and usually a set duration of a time, like a familiar.
The entire system he presents is geared at basically obtaining a djinn familiar from a djinn king.
It’s presented very similar to other rituals I’ve seen supposedly translated from ancient documents, but the idea is your calling the right one for what your doing to come and serve you.
So in reality you could do it without anything he gives you, if you know how to summon a djinn king from the type of djinn you’d want to receive a familiar from.
Like I can’t think of any reason this method of request would be absolutely needed to do what he’s doing, but it’s similar to how the djinn are approached by other peoples, so it would be familiar to them I guess? I could be forgetting rituals I didn’t think I’d were useful and other information too of course.
Idk I’ve been told my work with the djinn isn’t typical at all, so while I think well I’d have no trouble doing this today, idk how they normally react to people since my experiences don’t mimic the drama and bad stuff people report.
Like I’ve even been told several times that the spirits don’t cause the drama and have the adverse total polar energies and stuff in my experience because I don’t expect it and everyone else expects and believes those things will happen.
As in they believe it so much they cause it to happen or the spirits do it to meet the expectation of the energy vibe the summoner is putting out.
So idk. I’ve never had anything I summoned clash with anything else and many of the common problems like that I’ve not experienced. So some things I just don’t know what to think about them.
I find it hard to believe that many people could have an experience one way or the other based on a silly belief, but yet everyday I do something that makes seem like it’s possible nonetheless.
Sometimes I also note that an author seems to present material in away they anticipate it will be accepted without a lot of uprisings or objections.
Rather than stir the pot with material they know is better but controversial, they’ll present their material similar enough to the old school way to pass inspection, but modern enough to be used by people like us here on balg.
It could be some of that with this book in all honesty.
Where can i find those jinn, is there a book abt them?