The HGA is Yahweh

White Magick, Right Hand Path & Sephirothic Magick
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Lol thanks for the vote of confidence! I don’t know if I’ll have a clue as I’m not the biggest Crowley fan, and we know that at at least one level his writings on he HGA were tongue in cheek (I think I heard @DarkestKnight say that and I believe he knows what he’s talking about in tis area, he’s put way more research and practice into it than me), including the name itself.

But hey, I’m painting my kitchen right now so the video in the OP can keep me company and I’ll look into it.

If I had to guess, Echols sees YWHW as the same thing as Source, a vibration, not a being, and not the desert war god version, so maybe he means in the sense that HGA is also Source… but I’m not sure that was intended by Crowley, so I’ll read Crowley’s words about it. :thinking:

At one point I thought the HGA was supposed to be the higher self, as in the being that is immortal incarnate as human, but I’m not sure that’s correct either so I have to figure out what I think the HGA is first to know if I agree.

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I think Damian means the Universal Angel instead of the HGA, he might’ve misspoke. But that’s based on a short bit in his latest 2+ hour podcast with Jason Louv

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Basically different people have different opinions, and Echols is saying that it’s, and I quote from te lined vide at 1:03 above: “NOT union with the divine”. He equate it with the "god of th old testament…

So i was wrong he is claiming it’s the Jehova entity that was a war god of a desert tribe that is te one and only HGA and we don’t all have our own.

I don’t really see why that’s useful though, as I have so little respect or sense of power from that being from personal experience, so this doesn’t add up in my mind to explain how people find this to be a powerful practice, unless, they were all really only access their own personal power all along, which is possible imo.

He quotes Crowley who is saying pretty much that HGA is Source as far as I can tell… and then immediately contradicts him while claiming he (Crowley) is saying something I really think he isn’t.

Echols Quoting Crowley in “Magick in Theory and Practice”:
"He’s tells you exactly what “attaining the knowledge and conversation of the HGA” … [and] … “marriage of the HGA”:

Crowley: "There is a single main definition of the object of all magickal ritual. It is the uniting of the microcosm with the macrocosm. The supreme and complete ritual is therefore the invocation of the holy guardian angel."

Well, we can see fairly obviously that invoking a desert war deity isn’t going to do that. It is not “The macrocosm” by definition.

I don’t disagree that mystically the object of enlightenment is union with the divine/Tao/Source/All/macrocosm, if you can use all these terms for that.

I DO strongly disagree with Crowley that this is “the object” of all rituals. Because energy working achieves magick via ritual (or not,) and this is a tool that does not require his level of union. Neither do I think most mages achieve this union most of the time during ritual. Having Siddhis might. You might as well say using any tool is union with the divine, why not? My Black & Decker drill will be thrilled to hear that. :joy:

I would also notice another problem here, in attempting to find agreement with someone who is basing his opinion off what I think is a misunderstanding of another person who I also disagree with, all I get out of this is, these people are all really confused.

They’re working themselves into knots of semantics and assumptions, until the models are more important to them than understanding the underlying truth and finding a personal way to explain it, and I find that pointless and unhelpful, so I think I’ll just go figure it out for myself. I have my own ideas that are more in line with Taoism, but this isn’t how I’d describe it.

TL;DR, you are correct that Echols is saying Crowley’s HGA is the deified personality knows as the desert troll god Yahweh/Jehova.

Ditto. :point_up_2:

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Yeah I heard that too. Confused me even more.

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I believe he has some Gnostic influence as well. He’s equating Yahweh with the Demiurge, and quotes the bible saying “The lord of the earth is Satan”.

So not only is Yahweh the HGA, but also Satan.

It sounds like he trying to describe Yahweh as the ego aspect of our earth or world. Meaning it can be positive or negative. He also describes the True Source as having created both humans and the demiurge.

In another video, he also quotes Mark Stavish, saying that the HGA is the higher self.

The main source of his thinking that the HGA is the Demiurge, comes from the vision he describes as seeing god and the devil in the same face, not knowing which one was god and which was the devil.

He describes the Demiurge both as external and as a “part of you”.

And because the Demiurge is a part of you, you need to merge with it and become one. From there you can overcome it. (It being the demiurge/ego).

So the logic is basically, since we all come from source, the Demiurge and humans are aspects of each other.

YHWH simply could have been what the Jews needed at the time to survive, with their egos imprinting and merging with the egregore/god.

YHWH is that jealous, waring aspect of the self that needs to be overcome.

Still, overall, its messy logic.

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Circle = Nuit

Point = Hadit

Point in the Circle (HGA/Sun) = Ra khoor khuit

Ra = Yhwh = Allah = Osiris = Enlil

There is not misconception, he is right I think

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That’s interesting @MagnumOpus

Mind elaborating?

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In thelemic cosmology, there are 3 main god/goddess

Nuit is the infinite space also veiling of Hadit, which symbolises the negative veils of kabbalah

Hadit is infinite small point and also manifestation of nuit, which symbolises the Kether

Nuit is circle without point, Hadit is point without circle

And this fits the understanding of kether in hermetic tradition. They see Kether as the same as the definition of Hadit (infinite small point)

Third god of thelema is the Ra khoor khuit. It corresponds to Sun sphere in tree of life. And when circle symbolises the Nuit and point symbolises the Hadit, union of them symbolises the Ra khoor khuit.

And if we take Ra khoor khuit definition of thelema “literally” just like we took the Nuit and Hadit definition literally, then HGA definition of Damien Echols should be true

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That is the shortest and best summary of The Book Of The Law I’ve ever read!! :smiley:

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This is wrong on so many levels

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Horus in alchemy is the perfected consciousness…

Crowley describes as the HGA as Horus because when you integrate the goetia and Shem angels into your toroidal field you unlock the eye of Horus/Lucifer and become Christ consciousness/higher self

The HGA is the higher self that is guiding and protecting the lower self from the future within the evolution cycles in the toroidal field of man

Everything on this thread is UPG

What I just described has been practiced by the Djed priests for thousands of years…

Echols practices the current of Enlil, he admits in his book, not to mention he’s friends with major sell outs and even shares sigil tattoos with them

Enlil has always been known to suppress the awakening of mankind, comparing him to the HGA not only is an uneducated assumption and speaks volumes

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What you are saying is very ambigious.

What do you mean by christ conciousness ? What is different in it from normal conciousness or a psychedelic experience ?

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Consciousness is light. Light is what allows you to see, hear, smell, taste, think, understand etc.

There are many angles of light, that make up the totality of the geometry of the universe, these are known as angels, or angles of light, they are names of god, and powers of god. They are aspects of Christ.

Christ consciousness is the understanding you are God, you are the essence of life.

Psychedelics are only a shortcut to it, you can get there without it but it takes work because man is in a fallen state

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Do you have a source for this information?

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It’s Kemetic science, however it’s more detailed in taoist inner alchemy and the formulation of diamond body or rainbow body

In Tibet it’s known as Kalachakra Buddhism

And it connects the 12 gods, 12 zodiac, Christ and the 12 apostles, 12 strand dna. Though I don’t think you’ll find a source that’s credible enough for you. The majority of magick books are hocus pocus compared to real siddhi level magick

It just depends on where your consciousness is at, I personally don’t read books anymore on magick. The people that know these teachings are usually busy practicing it all day or have oaths of silence, I was fortunate enough to learn it from Enki and Kalachakra palace of the gods

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^This is also UPG. I want a source.

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How do you differentiate upg and non upg, there is no such thing… you’re still a limited magician that is why you rely on sources beyond your own

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And it’s actually not UPG, a lot of these teachings are oral traditions meaning they are not for outsiders, that’s why you still need sources, where’s your source for Yahweh being HGA???

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I never said I said a source.

Your UPG is just that. UPG.

You seem to be pretending your UPG is more valuable than everyone elses UPG on this thread.

You can’t help but contradict yourself.

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Your assumptions are vast and without merit.

The fact that you need to resort to name calling shows your true character.