I would do something to strip away all of their protections, and really expose them. Even people that don’t practice have protections from past loved ones etc. Make sure they are nice and exposed.
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thankyou
Before every round against them I either engage Vine or use the destroy defences ritual from angels of wrath or both for this purpose. Sometimes other lesser preparatory attacks too.
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Than as a group or each on their own? I would customize my attack on each person if I was doing it. Especially where you don’t have a lot of details on each.
- That achieving “sobriety” requires sacrifice and determination, and that Azazel opens the door to those who want to challenge the impossible.
- I think it’s necessary. Part of me loves these more intimate and, why not, “powerful” descriptions of supernatural experiences. They really do have that grimoire vibe
- Of course, why shouldn’t I? Here in Brazil it’s not uncommon for practically miraculous things to happen in Catholic churches and in Candomblé, Umbanda and Quimbanda terreiros/shrines. What happens is that some magicians nowadays tend to see things as much more limited and metaphorical (not that there isn’t room for metaphors, but they open the door to philosophy and knowledge, but not necessarily to concrete practices); which, on the one hand, anchors the magician down to earth in a positive way, and which, on the other hand, anchors the magician down to earth in a limiting way.
- I wouldn’t change a thing, I think that testimony is a product of the experiences, time and culture of the person who wrote it, and therefore something to be observed for what it is and not for “what it could be instead”.
Theres been quite a variety here. Sampler of my larger efforts (these span about five years):
-Did a several weeks long jar ritual aimed at dealing with the main one of the ringleaders, preceded that with Vine aimed at destroying his defences.
-When I did the master curse ritual for each one, I preceded it with destroy defences (DD) from Angels of Wrath. I did DD and then the master curse ritual for each one individually (so nine repetitions of the 12 day process).
-Ahead of my Forcalor ritual, I did DD individually for each of them a couple of days apart. The Forcalor ritual itself was all together.
-Ahead of my Dra’Talon rituals I did DD on them individually, but did the Dra’talon ritual collectively.
I’ve done a bunch of lesser stuff from other books against them individually over the years, usually proceeded by DD, occasionally by Vine by various methods.
Incidentally, did have one potential success, but was unable to replicate it. It was a clay poppet based action against one of them back in 2017. I was stabbing the heck out of its lower abdomen. Not long after, I think a few days to a week or so from memory, he ended up having to have an emergency operation of some sort of his intestines and was away for a couple of weeks.
I tried to replicate this with other ring readers a number of times, but without result.
I should clarify. I know seven of them very well. I worked with them. What I meant when I said that I have difficulty getting information, is that I have difficulty getting information on current circumstances in their lives etc, so it is hard to ascertain if anything is having an effect. They are all still around, and I know that none of their careers have collapsed etc, but it is hard to establish other information about their present circumstances.
Edit: I forgot to include my most recent attack: Used antiversal seal in conjunction with Vine and DD collectively. A week later engaged Raum collectively, then Glasya Labolas collectively the day after.
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Any or all of them Narcissist?
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I want you to share all of your experiences for sure!
Several are definitely narcissists at the high end. A number of the others have narcissistic traits, but probably wouldn’t be sufficient to qualify as full blown narcissists.
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This could be the problem too. These types are hard to get to with magick.
I would definitely have mark each one on their own for Dra’Talon to target and handle.
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Thanks, will do.
Im aware of the issue with the near immunity narcissists tend to have. I’m not really sure why that is though - very ironic as they tend to be the ones that need the biggest smack downs
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Where are we up to in the book?
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We’ve had a discussion on the foreword and discussion chapter one has just started. So very early on.
@anon83768343 I think @FabianxValentino would be keen to join
It’s chapter one do you want to join the DM too?
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Yes please
Chapter One: The meeting
The discussion:
This is when we first get introduced to EA’s initial interactions with Azazel.
What did you take away from this?
How do you see your first interaction will go?
If you’ve already approached them, how did your first interaction go?
What would you do the same?
What would you do different?
What was your key take away?
What did not resonate with you?
From the first around of the study group:
When I first read this chapter of the book it made me go whoa that is super interesting and intense. I will share my notes from the past and again in here, but what stuck with me was that the way Azazel came to be a part of for the lack of better words plan. After the events that took place in this chapter.
For those that have already worked with Azazel, this would be a great time for us to share our initial experiences with him.
For those that have not worked with Azazel after reading this chapter what do you expect to have happen or come from your first meeting with him?
This would also be the time for everyone to evoke/invoke Azazel to express our intentions and to ask for his guidance while working through the book. If you need help in evoking this great and grand Demon please don’t be scared to ask questions and aske
Hi whats the best way to contact azazel? I have tried a few time to contact but can’t get contact!
Let’s start with how you trait give as much as detail as possible.
I have tried gazing at azazels sigil and chanting Alash tad al-ash tal ashtu. Not made contact at all. Also I have tried gazing at his sigil and chanting his enn and not made contact that way either.
It confirms some of my Gnosis of how magick works, at least based on my observations. Various elements that to some people can be considered too much exaggerated (like all the thing to create the angelical seals of Michael, Raphael, Uriel, etc.. and then break them so the “Gatekeepers” can arise), for me it confirmed that doesn’t matter too much if your beliefs are real or if they are allegorical, it only matter that you believe strong enough during the ritual. The type of ceremony that was made to contact Azazel and the other Gatekeepers are a pattern in some afro shamanic religions like Vodou, Quimbanda and Candomblé where the deity rides the vessel. The entire thing of breaking seals of angels are all part of a psychological correspondence that, being real or not, will facilitate the possession and materialization of the spirits.
My first interaction with Azazel was with the help of Samyaza (leader of the Watchers) he have showed me some Gnosis, but it’s not relevant to now. I used the method of Churaki Ashan, and in the Pathworking I saw Azazel as this satyr with goat legs and big black wings. His color scheme was predominantly black and white, and he had a sheathed sword. I have perceived that Azazel is at the same time a demon and an angelical being, but at the same time, his in a entire different classification (and this also applies to most Watchers). In some Gnosis that I received and that I can talk about is that Azazel has some type of control of the Ying and Yang principles, or at least he have some control of the concept of duality and separation. Now makes sense why some old mages I attributed him as the demon of the sin of wrath since it cause separation and duality, and because of differences it result in wars and fights (there is also the thing that @C.Kendall contacted a feminine side of Azazel, so it’s just another situation that resonates with the Ying Yang thing of Azazel). This also explains why Azazel sometimes behaves in a somewhat chaotic way, being very nice to some people, but to others being very violent and invasive, Azazel is the spirit of duality and opposites, of extremes and separations. There’s also some personal Gnosis of mine that relates to the “Fall of the Angels”, especially when it comes to the 72 Goetic spirits who were once one with their 72 Shemhamforash angelic counterparts, with Azazel being the responsible for creating the kingdoms of Heaven and Hell and to “cut” the 72 names of God into 2 different beings (Daemons and Angels).
I would totally do that ceremony, in fact it’s one of my goals that after I do my highest dream (become a best seller comic writer) I want to retire and live off ritual for hire and open temples and sanctuaries, just like many here in Brazil and the United States.
I wouldn’t have called that ex-prisoner, even more if he’s connected to that kinda of “group” (If you know what I mean!). But that’s my human bias, and I wouldn’t be comfortable to held a ritual with such a person participating.
It’s something I already knew, but it’s confirmed again. Every time you evoke some divinity, it marks you in some way, so that you are no long the same person after the evocation. “No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man.” — Heraclitus.
The thing of Angels versus Demons are not something that I incorporate in my practices, but as I said, it’s very useful the archetypes and “folklore” to create an environment conducive to spiritual manifestation.
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