Taking someone’s energy for your benefit and their decline

Oh and I swear I’m not a total sociopath, I’m nice to people if they are nice to me and I’m always nice to animals lol


That’s what I thought. Just needed to see if maybe it was a stretch and energy just meant I would feel better or something idk lol thank you I appreciate your help


Yeah absolutely especially using a demon like valefar who has a very good reputation…


There’s a few other reasons why I might feed actually, like defending people I care about or someone just being a piece of shit by my standards. I’ve been toning down my hatred and misanthropy lately as a personal experiment though since joining here

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That’s good. You should add demons of magic to your collection. You probably already have info on the 72 but this book has different ways you can use the 72 demons.

Saving money very strictly right now, but yes it sounds interesting and useful. I’m always interested to learn more about them. I love the goetia

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Valefar is excellent in vampirism, energy work, and improving your own spells. I would call on him to drain someone of energy - and this energy would very likely become free energy for you.

As for draining someone’s popularity and putting it on yourself, that is something else entirely.

I can see it happen with some careful and precise magick, but I don’t see the point in it.

Why go through the trouble of that, when in the end you didn’t work on yourself for it? You will not know how you got it, you will not know how to use it, it will not be yours and hence useless.

Imagine if you had two men - David and Mike. They are both millionaires. Now, David is an entrepreneur and has multiple successful businesses that he set up by his own hand, while Mike won his millions from a lottery. Suddenly, they both lose their money and everything they own, and are left poor.

Who would you rather be?



What can you do with free energy? @anon20147451

This technique can be used on criminal politicians, Zionist elite, and rogue religious leaders…

Lol what

I cannot name names here. Criminals like the bankers and dictators can have their energy leeched. Helps society.

Don’t you hate it when you ask a straight-forward question and some replies turn into lectures?

I was also contemplating Valefar for this use: Taking the energy of one person in a relationship with a person of interest, and transferring their status to you. Wouldn’t that seem useful in a love triangle where two people are competing for the affections of the third? To me, it’s like killing two birds with one stone. You could potentially cause the decline of your rival while gaining the qualities which attracted the person of interest to them, so you win by attracting that person more strongly while the rival just fades away. What do you think Man1? Gordon Winterfield’s advice is to work with the demons’ purposes creatively. So, I think it comes down to if you conceived a use for a particular demon’s power, use it and expect its efficacy.


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Free energy seems too generalized. I think you were onto something with your original question in how can Valefar’s skill be employed in a specific circumstance. So, whatever another person’s strength or status is, I would think it would diminish that for them and increase it for you…in THAT particular area.

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Don’t you hate it when people come in thinking they are going to avoid working hard on themselves by stealing the results from someone else?

The lecturing had a point - since OP needed to ask how to do it, it meant it would be more beneficial for him to work on himself, than go the “easier” route.

It’s free energy - you can do anything with it. Put it into a sigil, use it in a ritual, use it as a sacrifice, etc.

Would be good to sacrifice it to Valefar himself, and then start learning vampirism from him if you’re interested in it.

Don’t rely on it though, it’s just a tool.

I would never presume Man1 hasn’t already “worked on himself”. Your point wasn’t in the realm of what he was asking. It was unsolicited advice. I answer questions at face value instead of parenting, and let the querent worry about their personal work.

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Aight, happy for you.

It believe it means to take health from someone and to use it to heal yourself or someone else.Also,I think i you should take the energy of someone you hate and want to hurt…

@anon20147451 @yeerbie I understand what the both of you mean. My intention was to use valefar to drain the “success” of the target so that I can come out on top and witness the fall of the target by giving me the edge, the edge that the target has that I don’t. I know from my experience that for most magic you have to put in the work so even though after what you said it looks like you can do this without work it was not my intention. So thank you @anon20147451 for the advice because i know you still have put in work for things to happen. And thank you @yeerbie, using it creatively was my intention so I wanted to see what others had to say in order to make sure it wasn’t wasted magic. :slight_smile:

I also don’t know anything about vampirism so This helped a lot