Oh I know, I wasn’t trying to start anything.
Just sending a message.
The Dungeons and Dragons conspiracy is complete bullshit. This statement is coming from a practitioner who has actually worked with Dreadwood’s books, has knowledge and discernment of tongues and theology… if you cross reference the mantras or “whispers” in Dreadwood’s books, they are very similar to mantras and whispers found within Jewish, Hindu, and Slavic sources of practical magick… alot of these whispers are a solid combination between Latin, Hebrew, and Hungarian tongues. He might be inspired by dungeons and dragons, in certain key phrases used to describe the powers of specific spirits, but this magick and these realms are definitely not taken from fantasy, and I have seen results from this magick
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I am going to copy and paste a response I sent to somebody over facebook in response to a question if I owned the “Rites in the 13 Tongues” book, here are my results with the book thus far:
“Yes, I have that book. I used it alot when I was living with a drunken roommate and his abusive girlfriend. I managed to succeed in using the magick from that book, combined with other books of practical magick I was using to get her caught, and arrested for beating the shit out of him, without any physical words or interaction on my part towards the local police. A myriad of other things took place such as the legitimate feeling of my apartment being “haunted”, and my roommate going through a myriad of emotional changes… end result: it made my roommate more humble and respectful of my powers and beliefs, even making him seek to become lesser of a hypocrite and a better Christian (ironic, but still observable as a result from the chaos I was wreaking) after a week or two of being suicidal and nearly drinking himself to death he finally gave in and realized I was right all along in my advice towards him as a friend and that he had no need for such an abusive partner. I utilized the spirits and mantras from the Tower of Atrophy quite a bit at the time, combined with empowerment rites from the Iron Throne, and topping it off with the martial combat utilized from the Tower of the Fallen, and of course the Umbra tower delivered quite a massive punch of course combined with pantheons of other outside sources, such as Japanese, dark shintoism, and chinese really helped as well”
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I would say even if it was based on fantasy that wouldn’t detract from its power at all. I have worked with chaos magick and gods based off of warhammer 40k and often received stronger more immediate results than working with many popular spirits. It is all about how you structure the magick to draw from that reality and concept. If it is poorly structured and what you are drawing from is poorly structured and weak then so will the results be and vice versa. I have only read one of his books and it wasn’t too much of a practical content heavy one and nothing in it beyond a couple of things has been relevant enough for me to work with but what was there served its purpose. Not quite for me until i can get more in depth knowledge.
Main point is it doesn’t matter whether it is based in supposed ‘fantasy’ or ‘real’ stuff so long as it works and don’t discount anything just because of its base. Actually if you have any good places to look further into it without having the books on hand that would be great because I have been curious as to the more loaded stuff and it supposedly being based on DnD honestly makes me more interested because that does hold a fond place for me that would let me connect to that style and similarity much the same as connecting to other supposedly fictional paths that are just as valid and real as any other.
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Welcome to the forum @hythyn. Please post an introduction in the NEW MAGICIAN AND INTRODUCTIONS area, and tell us about yourself and any experience you may have in magick. It is a rule of this forum.
Bunch of crazy RHP cultists that worship some fat emo chop.
And I apologize for insulting the cultists. I was wondering if you would move this thread to the white magic and RHP section, seeing as they’re a bunch of JCI type cultists. I would understand if you feel the need to delete my previous two comments.
I have buy a grimoire and other things from Black Corps Ascendency shop but unfortunately I have never received anything and no response to my message.
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Exactly, these claims are actually quite common on this site. I don’t think frauds should be allowed to get their potential marks here.
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According to v.k. jehannum the spirits in the cabal system are very real and very powerful and somnus’ magic is very powerful as well, regardless of its origins.
V.k. has contributed to the compendium of amaymon and you can look up his YouTube channel where he discusses his workings with the cabal spirits and an example of a blessing by somnus that he received.
Another sorcerer that I talk to, swears by the power of these spirits and encourages all to work with them if they are drawn and she only goes for systems that give powerful real results she can get from the very first time she uses it.
As an example, she also works the primal craft current from mark Alan smith, with the Aztec gods, and attests to the power of the Egyptian and Norse pantheons as well.
She has also stated to me before that she saw that the spirits in the Simon Necronomicon were fake and produced little thought forms with not much power.
Why wouldn’t she sense or say the same thing about the cabal spirits then?
The fact that VK Jehannum is a contributing author doesn’t give him a credibility boost just based on some dodgy material I have seen in Anthology of Sorcery by other authors. In other words, it seems like almost anyone can get in the door if the material seems marketable.
So on the one hand, you have people claiming this stuff is legit and on the other you have a dude admitting it’s all made up. I myself have seen concepts that were clearly pulled from roleplaying games. What conclusions can you draw from that?
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Thoughtforms can become powerful if a bunch of people empower them via magical means and fanatical beliefs. The point is we’re not going to worship your fat emo jesus, okay?
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I actually gave that guy the nickname Jewhannum, and his content isn’t all that great.
So all these experiences are from people you idolize, none from yourself, why is that? Just because you give examples of bias people doesn’t mean I have to believe a thing you say. I never said they weren’t spirits, they’re thoughtforms, not Gods or Daemons.
I wasn’t actually disagreeing with you mate.
These days, I prefer to go to scholars and academics for source material. There are only a scant few occultists whose material I will take seriously. There is too much emphasis on churning out “product” to make a buck otherwise.
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You should check out Jerry Alan Johnson.
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thank you!
What I’m saying is that regardless of their origins, these spirits/entities have real power and its been confirmed by others who aren’t in his cult and haven’t made pacts to Somnus, nor said order and are not just low level ineffective thoughtforms.