Small amounts of external dmt and ritual

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Small amounts of external dmt and ritual Would this increase results in any way it would definitely help temporarily open the third eye

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Generally I think itā€™s thought not. The reason is the realm for which dmt is a door, is not the same realm as most of those youā€™re trying to reach in ritual. But this is hearsay. After that I think you should try it and let us know :slight_smile:

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I fully agree. But it works like tinted glasses or lets say a iphoto filterā€¦ whatever substance you take will change how and what you see, but for sure they can help you go faster and deeper if done right.

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So if I wanted to contact the dmt jesters it would be perfect but if I was trying to contact any other entity it would have various results is that what your saying

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Well it depends how much you can focus duringā€¦ cause your steering wheel is kinda gone so you either have to set your environment perfectly or not take too muchā€¦ and if you see jesters on dmt, think twice or thrice if itā€™s not actually the entity you wanted to channel and itā€™s presenting itself in a funny form to you thru your own distorted experienceā€¦ there is a lesson in everything

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Or maybe you just really like jesters on a subconscious level :joy:

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By jesters you mean the ā€œmachine elvesā€ that Watts talks about? No these have nothing to do with any entity we talk about in the occult. Theyā€™re not aliens, or angels, or deities either. Theyā€™re not part of this universe.

The trouble Iā€™ve seen in trip reports is that

  1. They are very dismissive about human interests, and kind see incarnating as a waste of energy so they talk about anything but what would be useful
  2. You donā€™t remember most of the conversation afterwards anyway
  3. Youā€™re outside of spacetime and in a very specific realm with no critical thinking to even look for a way out and ā€˜downā€™ to the astral or universal areas.

I think youā€™d have better luck using THC (the active agent in weed) for this effort and altered states, along with lucid dreaming and ritual work.

But like you were saying, maybe just using a small amount so you donā€™t go that far would do the trick. I donā€™t know. Thereā€™s a lot of trip reports on yt you can check into to see if the experience sound interesting to you in itā€™s own right, if taking just a little even does anything etc. Look for bad trips too so you know what the risk is if it goes wrong.

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lol

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i have used thc in ritual with some success it is great to relax and open up

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You touch on something that I have felt every time I smoke DMT: It takes you to a place outside of our ā€œuniverse.ā€

The DMT realm feels like a place far removed from the energies we talk about on this forum (although, I did have one experience where a certain entity I regularly ā€œworkā€ with intervened during a bad trip). But then what is this place? Is it just alien/interdimensional? And what does that mean for the energies/entities we work with? Do they not truly span space/time and all dimensions? Are they exclusive and local to only our universe/reality?

I usually get bad vibes from DMT trips (with the exception of the pleasant afterglow). Iā€™ve said before that DMT does not feel spiritual, but rather justā€¦bizarre. Like itā€™s a place filled with energies that only want to trick you or toss you around like a plaything, and they do so in what feels like very real ways.

Welp, anyways, I am going to smoke a small amount tonight during a meditation/small ritual. Itā€™s been a while, and Iā€™ve never had luck with it in the past, but Iā€™m confident thereā€™s a link to be made between the occult energies we speak of here and the topsy-turvy insanity of the DMT realm.

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Rumor has it, Danny Carey from Tool likes to do magick on DMT

He also appears to have visible brain damage in video interviewsā€¦ just sayinā€¦

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Since you say that Iā€™ve actually had better luck with psilocybin, it also helps me have interesting dreams, though Iā€™m not sure if Iā€™m remembering better or having more, but they seem more meaningful than the usual processing of daily activities. I also enjoy the feeling which I kind of donā€™t for weed.

On the other hand the dissociation with weed is where I developed my ideas on how the higher being in incarnate into an animal to be like two beings melted into one, and Iā€™d started to be able to consciously move my mind ā€œupā€ and ā€œdownā€ in perspective.

It seemed I could choose whoā€™s eyes I was looking out of as it were - first ā€œme the primateā€ then ā€œme the spirit incarnate into the primateā€ and I was investigating if the taoist concept of having multiple shells also worked as bodies with eyes for this, but that didnā€™t work, not sure if I just failed or the shells are more like analogies then that donā€™t work like that.

But yeah the shrooms made for much clearer astral travel and thatā€™s where my research is focused right now. I think Iā€™d definitely try dmt if I had some though. I assume if you can practice enough you could get something really useful out of it.

Iā€™m still having recurring dreams about airports and my flight is waiting, but Iā€™m dithering about not getting on it, which have been going on for about 4 years, and they came back after I drifted off on psilocybin. This is something to do with my lack of discipline in progressing the great work I think, so Iā€™m being nudged to get on with it :slight_smile: