For those who do not like Yahweh, would you prefer Sigmar or the God Emperor in Warhammer fantasy/AoS or 40k?
Never mind those pussies. Definitely Khorne. lolol
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If we’re adding chaos, I’m going with Tzeentch.
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Haha, yes! As Majorkill pronounces it, Tits-Snitch, is awesome.
But seriously I wanna ask if anyone would consider these two as potential alternatives to Yahweh.
Neither, Yahweh is just a normal human psycho… warhammer makes Yahweh look like a Sunday school teacher… And Lovecraft a walk in the park. Yahweh is eventually just a selfish angry warlord confined to this reality, and it stops there.
Warhammer represents the absolute worst depths human imagination can come up with outside the constraints of this reality, on purpose. It’s not a fair or realistic comparison. It’s just a fiction, and worth taking as a bit of fun but not seriously.
I mean, I’m not religious, so whether I don’t like Yahweh or I do, either way I’m still not choosing him as any kind of god… so why would I choose another god?
No gods for me please, I’m British! 
I see you’re point, and yes many of the things Yahweh and his followers are guilty of, both Sigmar, Big E and their respective followers are guilty of 100x. However, given the context of their respective universes, I feel as if these acts are warranted. And you may say the same for Yahweh, but the difference is is that neither godling created Chaos.
Both Big E and Sigmar originally were human (to some degree) and ascended to the position they were in. The forces of chaos existed in some form or another prior to their ascension to God status, plaguing mankind, and giving both individuals purpose in fighting them back.
Yahweh, according to what you’d hear in Sunday school, created the world, decided it’s rules, and supposedly orchestrates everything that happens in it. He created the angels, to which one (Satan/Lucifer) rebelled against him and convinced a third of the other angels to join him. They became demons and were put in Hell as punishment. So, Yahweh created his own antagonists. Most people will say that Satan chose to rebel, but I’d argue that Yahweh programmed him to so that he could have an enemy to blame shit on and use as leverage against his own followers. Enemies that he has power to command.
If we were to judge the morality of an action based on its circumstantial necessity, then I’d say that when you have hordes of belligerent self regenerating brutes, robot mummies with ancient tech, psychic elves who are desperate for survival, planet eating bugs that create cults in the dregs of society, and the lovecraftian threat of Chaos warping souls, societies, and reality itself, being xenophobic, authoritarian, and cruel would be necessary for survival.
So, I’m just doing a thought experiment. I’m taking Big E and Sigmar and placing them in the context of our own world. In doing so, would they be better off than Yahweh? I mean, would they be different if mankind didn’t face so many threats?
No these are way worse. The question presupposes that if you don’t “like” Yahweh you must be in want of a replacement, and I don’t think that follows.
If you already don’t like Yahweh because he’s a despot, you’ll like these cretins even less.
It becomes a mere matter of survival, tow the party line or die in horrible ways.
That’s not a choice in the end. It’s a fake dichotomy, the illusion of choice being used to control people by fooling them into thinking they choose what awful thing is happening to them isn’t new.
What it is is a trick. A manipulation.
So, no. Unequivocally no. None of the above. Nada, zilch, all tyrants can all go fuck themselves with enormous cacti coated with lemon juice. I see your false illusion of two bad choices and I deny them both, without hesitation.
You see, I am a satan too, meaning, I am an accuser, and I accuse yahweh and these worse-than-yahweh clones of worthless, selfish tyrany, so of course I have no other answer.
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No. I don’t.
They’re fundamentally different from Yahweh.
Ideally, before fictional entities, spirits always go first. Just today, I was watching a video about AmitabhA Buddha, and the speakers say only a real enlightened being can save you, that means from Karma reincarnation; it has to be a Buddha; it has to exist. In the same vein, the spirit has to have a bit more weight behind it if we want anything serious to be done. It is not at all about finding an alternative to Yahweh; rather, it’s about calling all the gods of darkness, all the gods of light, all the spirits you can find, and uniting with them, having them be part of your life and your power so that you may grow.
Therefore, Yahweh, Satan, Ahriman, Belial, known as the Angel of darkness or enemy of the way, and all these other entities are required. You cannot create an alternative, or you could say that Ahura Mazda is an alternative to Ahriman and vice versa, but you need both. We need both. Without calling on the gods, we cannot tap into the gods in our lives and in ourselves, so we cannot become what they have without calling on them. It is just like deciding which billionaire you would like to call for help if possible. We would like to have as many of them in our phone as we can, so definitely do not skip it at all.
If we are looking from a left-hand path perspective, Yahweh is a great destroyer, a powerhouse. Looking from the ability to help, there are examples of that in the Bible also. So again, as with everything, the entire Bible is nothing but a magical path working. If we try to pray the same prayers and do the same things that they were doing and look at it from a magical perspective, it is nothing but a grand allegory, starting from the incantations of God all the way up to the blessings and the parting of the sea and everything else. All these works are here for us to learn to do, so there’s no real problem with Yahweh or any entity at all. The only problem is the exclusion of entities.
Just like yesterday, I watched a little video about Lucifer that explains how he fell and how he’s a “bad guy,” and the same thing here. We might think Yahweh is a “bad guy,” but in fact, every God is acting in his own nature. Usually, many gods are man-created, so they are definitely doing what they need to do. Every god, including Yahweh, is subordinate to the supreme source, who is also ourselves, subordinate to us. Not to mention the fact that Yahweh is pretty good, feels pretty good and powerful. I cannot even state how much you would see and how he would appear if you called his name outside of the body. But the same thing applies to any powerful entity. That is one of the differences between fictional entities and nonfictional entities—the degree of vastness of power that you behold. That is why it is necessary to work with all of this. If you were to exclude it, you only exclude tapping into that power. So to top it off by calling on the gods we get access to the power of the gods and so we can claim it for ourselves there’s really nothing more left hand path than this and what else are we doing here but trying to attain omnipotence
Not really, don’t get me wrong I think the warhammer universe is pretty cool to read about.
But actually RPing in it, which I’ve tried, like your team and the world is just always filled with mega zealots, and I get why, but still.
it leaves little room for much interesting roleplay, you can’t really be all the cool things in warhammer 40k, just one, and if by some miracle you play a game where you aren’t just the humans, then you all have to be just one of the other things. like a full team of orks, etc.
So yeah not a huge fan of the whole emperor of man doctrine, the emperor himself seemed like a pretty cool guy, and doing his best, but his cult, not so much.
@delvis I think he meant in a fun way, not an actual serious way.
Though if he did in a serious way, I completely agree, I admit I have seen people wanting to worship fictional entities, which does seem impractical.