Self-created Methods vs Authentic?

That he wrote the book, or that he believes what he says he believes?

The book Hermetic Magic leads me to think he’s sincere, to be honest. :man_shrugging:

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Actually it’s probably more my definition of what a wiccan is.

You seem to really just want to start a war for no reason. Maybe “moderation” isn’t your forte?

Because I asked you questions when you came on here and acted like we’re all “pretending” and you alone have authentic answers, and then went off on weird tangents about stuff?

Nope, this isn’t a pacifism forum, healthy debate and challenges, especially when grand claims are made, is normal round here. :smiley:

He does sex magick, is that what you meant?

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Not being rude but could you guys take it to pm?

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I’m pretty sure he isn’t though. From what I’ve gathered and read he was a high ranking member of the Temple of Set along with Michael Kelly before he started the Rune Gild.

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What does thorsson being wiccan have to do with this?

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That’s a lot of incorrect assumptions. Also a lot of judgemental doucheyness.

A. I didn’t name anyone specifically, and I didn’t imply everyone either.
B. I certainly never implied I alone had authentic answers.
C. I don’t mind healthy debate or a good fight, except when it is arguing with ignorant assumptions made by some misled clairvoyance.

The fact as to whether not:
Thorsson is a credible source, is wiccan or anything other than the question I posted a whole year ago is irrelevant.
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@Fallen_Angel I;m going to split this in a mo. :+1:

Yes, you did:

Your profile says heathen, that’s not clairvoyance. I usually like heathens but they tend to favour lore over UPG and self-created methods. Your own first post above carries that air:

As for the rest… like I said, there seems to be some talking at cross-purposes going on here. :man_shrugging:

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Thank you.

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Some have issue with Thorsson’s association to the Temple of Set and his Satanic leanings. Some of the heathens I know feel that this may have influenced his works in even a subtle way and they don’t want the connection to an out Satanist.

Personally, I’ve never felt a “Satanic Vibe” from his rune work. He tends to stick very close to the lore and sources he had.

Speaking of those sources, others don’t like his drawing on Von List’s UPG for inspiration in his books. But, I find Von List’s 11 months of blindness and gnosis to be rather poetic and (highly) probably spiritually significant.

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It isn’t even that. Most people in heathen circles shun him because his books contain numerous incorrect things. Mispelling common magic terms and misrepresenting them. Misclassing gods. Inserting complete nonsense like his hammer rite and making the sign of the cross and calling it a hammer on your chest. The wrong assosciations with common magic things like elements and elementals. The list goes on and on. Some of his stuff is good and yes even he references sagas and eddic lore in his books (sounds like a religious guy who rejects magic I guess?) but he also interjects concepts that have nothing to do with Norse magic.

I was in the Temple of Set for a short time. The magical theory in much of his work draws directly from Setian magical theory. When you see terms like “objective universe” and " subjective universe" you now know where that comes from. Not making a value judgement. Merely pointing out something that may not be obvious to some.

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Ah, thank you.

I’ve never been in the Temple of Set, so I wouldn’t have caught that.

He most certain is not. In fact, one could argue he’s more a Satanist (having met him, he’s a super nice guy!). He is definitely LHP, hands down, and as the most magnificent and powerful goddess @Lady_Eva has said, he’s written a plethora of information on it, especially as it corresponds to Heathenry.

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Agree to disagree.

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How do you define Wiccan?

There is a sharp distinction between Wicca and the lhp as espoused by the ToS of which Thorsson was a ranking member. Thorsson is no Wiccan by any measure. If you mean that he has taken traditional lore and stretched it over a Setian framework, you might be on more solid ground.

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Anything that stinks of that white light do gooder bullshit. Regardless of whether or not they are “LHP” he could be Anton Lavey himself and if it wreaks of that white lighter nonsense I’m calling it wiccan.

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Okay, now we get into a sticky situation. I am not going to deny that Thorsson includes elements that may be considered RHP. But there is a difference between the content of his books and the man. Thorsson is LHP, through and through. The RHP elements, I believe, are added to benefit the reader, make his works more palatable and popular, and because there may be an element of truth in them.

But, I also agree to disagree if this still doesn’t jive with you.

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