Schizophrenia

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If you believe that Psychology is a pseudoscience, then you either don’t know what modern Psychologists actually do, or you don’t know what science actually is. You also seem to be confusing Psychology and Psychiatry, which, while related, are separate disciplines with very different educations.

Research in clinical methods nowadays is done with rigorous statistical methods and careful controls. We have methods that have been proven to help people learn how to pull themselves out of things like major depression, anxiety, PTSD, and even severe OCD. Psychologists with Ph.D.'s and Psy.D.'s are highly trained professionals with empirically-proven tools to help people.

Now, I can understand where you are coming from in terms of psychopharmacology. Most drugs do not actually fix the problem. The good ones will reduce your symptoms enough, with minimal enough side-effects, to help the patient respond well to therapy. After recovery with good therapy, the drugs are no longer needed.

I can also understand the outrage you have over Psychiatry’s history, as I too am absolutely disgusted with how they have treated people. Putting people into isolated, soul-crushing asylums against their will, forcing them to take drugs, drilling holes in their heads and getting Nobel fucking prizes for it.

I shouldn’t say much on this topic, but in my opinion, most schizophrenics don’t need a cocktail of drugs and to be told that they are insane. They need a supportive community, an outlet and direction for their fantasies, and something to ground them. A temple or monastery, not a hospital that more resembles a prison than a place of care.

I want to reiterate here that if anyone is in severe need of mental health care, there are highly trained professionals whose job it is to help people like you. We’ve come a long way in the past few decades. Hell, your Psychologist will probably encourage you to meditate, something which I think people here can respect.

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Offcourse i believe that.
Look at me, i’m the living proof.
I struggled for years with psycho pathological symptoms.( psychosis and even had the label schyzophrenia which was imo a little over the top and i was right in the end)
From the moment i’d quit with pills, the more i had a healthier lifestyle and got spiritual enlightent instead of holding myself back, i became more and more stabile and cured.

I can proudly say that today, i am a person really NO ONE would’ve ever believed i could’ve been.
It costs time, discipline, will, lots of balance and struggle but most importantly, pure focus and core strength

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As far as psychologists who cannot deal with abstract thoughts, you could look into Analytical Psychologists as they are mainly in the Jungian school of thought. He actually specialized in schizophrenia and a majority of those who follow the same school specialize in that disorder as well

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word up

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My point exactly, these pills are not to help you. They want to create certain conditions in your country, so as to have greater control over each and every individual.

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Friendly request to all, to please not make this thread too political, and keep political comments/discussions of ramificatiosn etc., to PM, per:

Yes, this WILL restrict discussing highly relevant and on-topic facts, as well as personal conjecture, however it is a rule of this forum and PM is the best place to take those conversations. Cheers. :+1:

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I respect your opinion, but fail to see how this is divisive? It’s a historical fact that governments, both liberal and conservative in the US were involved in it. This ties into a lot of what transpires on this forum, that paper is related to the both the energetic and psychological models of magic. It’s also common knowledge that the CIA and NSA were infiltrating cults in those days. Michael Aquino co-authored “From PSYOP to Mindwar”.

But if you insist I won’t mention governments.

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Not my opinion, just a reminder of the rules so that the topic is not hampered by them.

I am all over this stuff like a cheap suit personally, and agree with most of the points raised.

However, we do have this rule and as I explained in that topic (about 3rd or something post in) I am going to honourably enforce it, because it is a relatively small issue and was not worth resigning over. :slight_smile:

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Understood. Pleasant evening to you.

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In my opinion, no. Being mentally ill and diving headlong into magick is not a combo i’d want to do if my mind is fragile and full of pain. If anything goes wrong, you won’t have the mental fortitude or strength to fix those problems. Professional help should always come first. Then you can even consider magick. But always remember if you decided to go through with it, you should stay balanced and well. I’ve seen too many mages fall into the pits because of mental illness.

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OK since I have first-hand knowledge about this, I’ll write something here.

Because I personally know a lot of schizophrenics and for me for 75% schizophrenia is equal with shamanism and a lot of times equals to magical talent. Look for the chaos magicians they are striving to attain altered states that come naturally to schizophrenic’s mind. This is just different labelling in Indian cultures they will become shamans, talking to spirits, etc etc. now they are labelled madmen, as post-Enlightement Europe no longer officaly believes in spiritism.

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But you are aware that all magic and spirituality can be labelled as schizophrenia (and actually is done so by “specialists”)?

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My brother and I had the same experiences as children, where we saw things and experienced things together. Later they used this too as an argument for his mental illness. As fraternal twins, I would have a 15% chance of developing schizophrenia too. I don’t, I function as society expects of me. Function what a weird word anyway to use on humans. Machines have a function. But if I was to tell my therapist that I shared the same experiences as him and that often my ears will start ringing when spirits reach out to me. I am sure, very sure… she would see this as a sign of mental illness.

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Schizophrenia is interesting. Hallucinations are also interesting: they’re just a different type of consciousness from the one we call “normal reality”. I don’t think it’s because of anything in the “past” because time/space is an illusion of consciousness. It’s more about what the state of consciousness in the present is–that’s what it’s about. Exactly why some people tap into this vibration I don’t know but it is also one aspect of Infinite Being and can be shifted with the right approach. Yes, spirituality and magick can help but I’d say they need to first stabilise using meditation, generally positive thought, self-knowledge etc. Rituals can sometimes make the shit seem that much more pronounced.

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I would (and have) very strongly advised people with mental health issues to stay as far the fuck away from magick as possible.

That issue is better handled by psychiatrists and other medical doctors who can administer drugs or recommend surgery.

Magick can be highly destabilizing at the best of times.

Guard your mental health with your life.

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my mental ghealth is out the window after all the crap i been through kundalini and demon wise

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Ok, i nearly just blacked out.

Something is off around you. I dont know what it is, but you’re carrying some heavy vibes and they aren’t pretty.

Go see a doctor asap if you can.

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what you mean, did you read me or something

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doctors cant help me ive been to them, ive had my neck snapped in the astral by a devil, been pulled in a hell realm, had hordes of demons after me, i am in constant pain and drinking helps sadly