Schizophrenia or real spirits talking?

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In my experience, they do if they are low level entities. Some are very chatty, non-stop. High level entities are the opposite - not super chatty at all.

Another possibility is that they have a talkative false self. That is a tricky thing to experience and effectively deal with. Damnation would sort it out though.

Also, they may be picking up on thoughts that are present in the local vicinity, rather than spirits or entities chatting away. That can explain why they get disturbing thoughts. These thoughts are unlikely to be their own, but they attract them through having a lower vibrational frequency, so they attract thoughts that are a vibrational match. Again, damnation would sort this issue because it resets your vibrational frequency.

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Im beginning to see what you mean but the line is still blurred for me. How do you know a spirit has other obligations to keep it from talking with you all the time? Im not saying its impossible, but arent a lot of these things supposedly out of time? I don’t think we can make any claims about what a timeless creature does or how they work.

Unless someone has a specific question for me I think ill tap out of this convo. I think our disconnect is coming from our terminology and definitions, and not our actual understanding of the topic, and while it is fun to argue about words and definitions im not interested in that right now :grin::ok_hand:t6:

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I dont gauge entities by levels, when people mean low level entities I often associate that with their own thoughtforms, when people mean “high level” entities I associate that with actual entities that exist freely from their own mind.

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because they are living beings just like us, do you talk to your parents 24/7 without any obligations like a job? or your own family? or anything else? entities are only considered “spirits” because they lack a proper form here, but on their own plane things work very similar to here, jobs, families, responsibilities, they are as much solid and intertwined in their plane as we are in ours, they aren’t out of time, that’s the void, they are simply in a slightly different flow of time. I find the concept of them being timeless to be really inaccurate and made by people who rather see entities as these omnipresent, omnipowerful things instead of just everyday people like us.

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My definition, to help you out here:

Low level entities = parasites, constructs, etc. Beings that vibrate at a lower frequency.

High level entities = gods, demons, angels, intelligent beings, etc. Beings that vibrate at a higher frequency.

Hope that helps put my post into context for you.

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yeah constructs are pretty much similar to thoughtforms, expect constructs can exist within the mind and without, and thoughtforms can develop into parasites.

So I can understand what you mean.

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Cool. Whatever works for you. :slight_smile:

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Respectfully i think you are projecting human features on things we have no reason to believe possess them.

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That’s fine to think that, humans usually think they started things, these beings more than likely had these “human” features, long before us and we’re just under some weird delusion that it’s impossible for these beings to have them but then again, I talk to entities by projecting to their places not through simple telepathy, many beings have done things humans think they started, Gods Demons, Angels they had jobs before man created jobs for themselves, they had families before man started to reproduce, none of this is “human features” humans just adopted already existing things and sadly think they started them. So I have more reason to believe they possess, but I am not telling you to stop having this spiritual wonder about entities being beyond human actions. You’re more than welcome to keep that perception.

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This is quickly falling down the rabbit hole of “you can’t know anything” for me. I do not claim humans are unique or pioneers for the things they have done. The universe is quite old and still has a ways to go.

All i can say is the human mind is imperfect and it WILL mislead you given the opportunity. That being said though, i encourage people finding the ideas that best fit their lives and working with that. It doesnt matter how one gets from point a to point b, so long as they can make it happen.

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I did say you were fine in seeing things your way, I’m not trying to change your view nor do I want to. I spoke of my years of SPG. However, I tried to keep it limited since it kind of veers off topic.

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So I’ll chime in with my personal experience. A similar disorder, but not the same, runs in my family.

We are told we have delusional disorder. It carries on in the men in my family. I hadnt had contact with my dad until i turned 18 so I never once thought i was crazy, I just thought I noticed things others didnt.

I eventually got in touch with my dad and he told me all about his struggles and what I’m “soon to be dealing with”. What he told me was “youre gonna feel crazy, but youre not. Its not crazy when you say ‘i need a lighter’ and 2 seconds later one pops up in your pocket.’ Form a system of belief and stick to it. You only lose control when you let outside influences dictate your beliefs.”

He also told me that it doesn’t matter which paradigm you choose, they are all doorways to faith and faith is the functioning mechanism that enables magick. He prefers Christianity, tho his own sort of offshoot of it, so hearing this from him was eye opening to me.

So in my experience, and generations of men in my family, can tell you that no, not everything we’re told is in our head is in our head.

HOWEVER, as a neuroatypical adult caretaker i have experience caring for clients who are diagnosed with schizophrenia in a one on one setting and I do notice some similar thought patterns, tho how these thoughts manifest is very different. In my clients, they tend to not be able to discern impulses and stimuli from their objective reality.

An example of this process: man with schizophrenia watches a movie with a protagonist who is a veteran. The man with schizophrenia sees how that character was praised as a veteran and so yhe client thinks its desirable to be a veteran. And so the client creates a fantasy in which he is a disabled veteran and he lives this fantasy.

Ive had clients be hung up on fantasies the entire time i had been with them and also clients who would fantasize and let it go a week later as if it never happened. These things are very obvious delusions.

On the opposite end of the spectrum ive had these same clients react to occult phenomena in their homes that staff did not pick up on.

This is as far as my experience goes, hope it sheds some light. If anyone has questions about delusional disorder and living with it, feel free to ask.

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I have a friend who hears voices everytime, it started recently. He is a good looking guy and completely healthy before now he is worried about it, so he went to see the doctor and he is on meds right now

Since he started taking meds he has been very depressed, and the voices still continue. He does not believe in supernatural stuff and he is a religous guy so i really cant talk with him about the spirits

Medical science can be very confusing sometimes, few years ago my eye muscles started vibrating frequently, it made me see things smaller in size and the surroundings were like an earthquake, so i went to seek medical advice from a doctor and he couldnt really find out what it was yet he suggested doing a MRI on my brain. So the test results came out and there was nothing in the MRI, then they did so many tests i was actually spending so much money on medical stuff
They could not find anything, so they told me i have a viral fever in my brain which is the worse thing, i felt broken and i was depressed for months however i wanted to give another shot at this because deep down i knew this was something else, i went to see another doctor who was not a specialist, well FTW he said my eye muscles are moving due to the stress in my eyes thats why this is happening, i was prescribed to wear glasses for sometime and boom i was fine within a month

This is the reason i really dont seek medical advice first not that im against it or anything

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Is it possible for a spirit to come out of nowhere and talk? My friend is a religous guy and he doesnt believe in all spirits and stuff

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I have met people who seem to hear voices only at night and they are diagnosed with schizophrenia
Maybe its just a thought pattern of them

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I agree with @DarkestKnight

Not only what he said but people with schizophrenia have physiological differences compared to that of healthy people.

This picture is scan of twin brains and one is normal the other has schizophrenia, the one with schizophrenia has larger ventricles in his brain.

I’ve never seen a brain scan of an occult practitioner but I’m going to assume their brain likely doesn’t look like that of one with schizophrenia. :sweat_smile:

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From what I’ve learned about the Cosmos and Humans in relation to it is that, the brain is a 3D organic fractal antenna, and so logic follows if your antenna is bent or disrupted so to is the signal (consciousness) it receives.

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When people are tired, they are more likely to hear stuff.

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Thats funny as hell! Maybe I’ll try that when I’m talking to a spirit for the hell of it :joy:

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This ^^

As far as I know there’s no history of schizophrenia in my family and if there was I definetly don’t have it. Even when I was depressed and loud as day in my head heard “Kill yourself” I knew that was not just my imagination. Not to mention way too many snychronicities of things I think hear and see aligning with various goals I’m working on.

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My uncle’s wife is schizophrenic but it manifests with her as voices and weird behavioral issues where she runs away and then comes back from time time.