There is so much confusing knowledge out there !
There a different Sigils and different eens and different knowledge and authors and at the end there is confusing knowledge ?!
So in the Goetia there is beelzebub perhaps aka Baal aka Bael the biggest of 72 ?
Then there is I think Grimorium verum and there is Lucifer first one ? And then there is Satan ? And the big Authors they selling books from all these 3 and they say this 3 are just a little bit different and at the end they telling you it’s all the same ?
Same same but different ?
This is really why it’s not worth “following” anybody, because we’re all so different we find things work differently in our individual universe. We have an overlap where there’s a consensus shared reality between people, and then we have our own private inner spaces.
Reading books in the end is just to get you started, then you have to try them and find out what works for you in person. It might be different than anything you read, and yet none of you are wrong.
I tried to explain my view on this one in a post I called Bats in the Belfry, and didn’t do a great job really, but you see, we all see through our own unique glass darkly. (That would be our subconscious, replete with our individual combinations of culture, unbringing and experience plus energies plus spiritual influence etc.
This is why we don’t have rules against posting UPG on BALG, and also why people get accused of larping when they might not be. And sometimes they are. You can’t easily tell from just a post.
Same but different. One man’s meat is another man’s poison. You have to partake of the meal to find out which is which for you personally.
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The Goetia has a statement that the demons listed in it are followers of Lucifer. There are also several other demons mentioned having dominance over those mentioned in it. None of their sigils are provided.
In the Goetia, Baal is one of the nine kings. There are eight others equal to him.
Many authors take the Christain idea of the trinity of God and say the demons mirror it. Where Satan is the father, Lucifer the son and Beelzebub the holy spirit. This is where the idea that them all being the same but different comes from.
Ultimately, the lower frequency astral realms do not work like this. Depending on the level there can be any number of regional rulers. But the lower you go there is less. The last before the abyss has three. The classical hell is located a level or two above the lowest and as such has a number more.
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Ok so you think the Trinity Never Changed ?
Anu / Enlil / Enki.
Brahma / Vishnu / Shiva
Vater. / Sohn. / Heiliger Geist
Satan. / Lucifer / Beelzebub
Mmmmmm perhaps ?!
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Sorry
Vater / Sohn / Heiliger Geist
Father / Son / Holy Spirit
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If I claim to have been to the abyss will people jump all over me and tell me my ego is too big?
Trinities are a common aspect of religions. It is believed that it is due to the number three representing the beginning, the middle and the end. Not all trinities have to be the same spirits as with anything else there is a number of them.
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The abyss is just the lowest frequency level in the astral realms. The gates/tunnels to it can be jumped over if in a pit formation, but most are no more than vertical doors. The realm can also be accessed by lowering your frequency to it.
The jumping/walking over it comes from the left-hand path Kabbalah, the Qliphoth. Where a magician continues on their path by walking over the abyss. I believe it is the A’arab Zaraq step.
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