Samigina/Gamigin

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While meditating, this spirit’s seal kept coming to my vision. Since I had never reached out to this demon before, I initially mistaken it for other entities until seeing the seal from a post on here

My google search, I found this explanation :

…giving accounts of souls that died in sin

Anyone has a clue what that means? The “die in sin” part and can explain it to me

Before the sigil started flashing in my vision, one person who was on my mind was someone whom I had made a conscious decision to walk away from, we did not see eye to eye I guess

My understanding of sin is the part of ourselves (our shadow) we have been conditioned to reject, to be ashamed of, ignore, and suppressed due to societal pressure to be liked and accepted/validated by a particular group or community and to be seen as part of the group

As far as death exist, during my studies, I came to learn death is but an illusion. Also, I came to understand that not everything in the Goetia is literal just like the bible. Some of the described abilities of these entities were symbolic, limited to the understanding of and the relationship the writer (evocator) had with the particular entity, also some of these descriptions were written as they were to bypass/conceal the truth only for the true initiates to find and as a mean to hide from the church

So when description of Gamigin states "…giving accounts of souls that died in sin" Is that a literal description? Is that symbolic? I am thinking it is symbolic

My initial understanding of this description is “People who have experienced an Ego death/ underwent an extreme spiritual awakening while operating in or possessed by their shadow”

What do you folks think? I am curious

Gamigin Seal:

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For most catholic Christians I think this means they died without being able to give confession.

But if by “sin” we mean “having a guilty conscience” That’s another thing. But you can feel guilty and not really deserve to, so it could also mean “be judged as sinful by the church”. A more spiritual meaning for sin is, “going against what you know is the right thing to do”.

Either way it’s referring to pretty much everybody old enough to do anything imo.

I don’t believe a priest can actually be paid to “forgive” you for being naughty, or that you can just “repent” and that’s enough to resolve the energy connections you made, it’s a great scam though if you want to sell a cult.

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I think it could be referring to the power to contact dead spirits of “church’s enemies” like scientists and mages from the past, or it could be refered about contacting dead spirits that are in the Astral Threshold (Umbral).

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Considering The Lemegeton is written in the 1500s by catholics it means exactly what it says. He gives account of those who died in their sins and didnt make it to Heaven but instead reside in Hell (Not the Lake of Fire, Hell is entirely different to the Lake of Fire).

Personally dont consider myself christian but i do believe there are higher dimensions and lower dimensions, both which could be characterized as chaotic/hellish or heavenly/orderly. People who serve themselves above others enter the qliphoth and that is exactly what “sin” is in christianity. All sin in christianity is all about serving the self over others. Greed, Lust, Pride, etc etc. People who are like this would resonate more with the Qliphoth.

Samigina would give an account of all those who served themselves in life and died as they lived, in service to themselves.

Thats my interpretation.

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Very interesting insights

→ Could it be that the provided description is limited to the author’s experience and relationship with the demon? or the overall experience of the author with the occult?

Also, the fact that the Catholic church was behind it, would that not be a more reason to be suspicious of that description? Like there’s more to that description; given the church’s history of twisting facts and present informations that benefits the agenda of the church

I have always been under the impression that “SIN” is completely subjective, what one may view as sin, another from a completely different society and culture may not see them as something to shy away from rather something to embrace

Interesting point to make because most of my ancestors would be considered enemies of the church since they had all (if not most of them) rejected completely the church and its teachings

Would that not be based on a personal level? like from person to person and not apply to everyone? What about those who do not have a conscience at all? or those who refuse to see fault in their actions? To feel guilty, there needs to be some form accountability, some sense of knowing what one has done is somehow wrong and the ability to feel emotions has be there since guilt is a form of emotion. By that definition, wouldn’t it be those who can’t feel any emotions are sinless since there is no guilt from them about their committed acts

Very interesting :thinking: I might need to meditate on that for more insight

What i don’t understand tho is why that entity came to me during my meditation? Those who came to mind right as i started seeing that sigil in my vision, are not folks who are currently in my life, they are all alive and well; some I had walked away from for personal reason, while others I suppose the universe orchestrated circumstances for us to be separated at the current moment, I find it bizarre that this demon would come to me at that moment and time also I have no interest whatsoever in studying or learning liberal arts at least not at this moment

Could it be a sign of a spiritual gift I possess? I had always felt the draw toward communicating with the dead but never actually commit myself to that path, could that by any chance mean a sign to start that path?

This sure a\h give me plenty to think about

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If you have a spiritual gift I would recommend that you work on it. You have that to do something, nothing comes meaningless to us (there’s always a cause)

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there are many aspects to spirits, especially spirits as large as the demons found in the goetia. There IS an aspect of every demon found in christianity which conforms to that belief system as much as there are aspects of them which dont conform to that belief system.

Its not that the demon is entirely that, but the person conjuring them will tap into the aspect they are programmed to experience so it could very well be that the person conjuring these spirits in the 1500s experienced exactly what is said in the Goetia.

Edit: correction, it was written in the 1600s