Read before attempting Henry Archer method [Magick of Angels and Demons book]

My post is probably gonna get taken down for some odd/mysterious reason which wont even make sense. However if it last and stays up long enough till you could read it. Consider yourself lucky.

Id like to kindly caution and advice specifically RHP practitioners or beginners who wish to use the the book called angels and demons of magick by Henry archer.

Anyone who’d like to attempt with the henry archer method when evoking the 72 goetia. I highly advise you use the “Sigils” from demons of magick by Gordon winterfield. Not only but set up SERIOUS protection. Don’t rely on the protection given in the book . And DONNOT fvking dare use those unbound sigils if your a beginner . What was left out is that , the “mental/astral protection” which is used in the book is only as strong as your “mental capacity” & intention. In short our mental capacity is fvking weak and can’t hold up to a Goetia demon. Its equivalent to an ant believing it can mentally & physically stop an elephant or direct its course .

Note:

Its a Great book and I share much respect for the author and his work . Please note that In no way am I promoting or discriminating any book or author. Just advising you set up proper protection , and use sigils which are bound. Unbound goetia sigils are too powerful and are extremely detrimental to your inner world and outer reality . These type of demons are NOT humanoid figures as you see pictured , they are powerful currents/energy . They are a raw force . When you evoke them ,remember that you are evoking the raw force not their intelligence , it is then the angels or subordinate demons which act as an intelligence to direct the force/current

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Why? There’s no rule about book reviews. You might be thinking about the reviews on external provider services, which is a different thing and disallowed under the no advertising rule.

Updating the title to make the book in question clear.

The Magick of Angels and Demons by Henry Archer

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Demons of Magick by Gordon Winterfield

Always good advice!

I don’t harp on about setting up proper protections for nothing. It’s like insurance, you don’t want to have to bother with it until you need it and then its too late. :slight_smile:

So do tell - what happened to you that prompted you to make this warning for everybody. Sound bad?

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His system is pretty smooth in general. It uses the names IAO and EL first and then uses them to call a Ruling Angel and Three Attending Angels and then using all of them, call the demon and give them your request. It’s pretty simple and I’ve had many results with it over the past year while never experiencing an issue. That is to say, I’ve been using it exactly as it says to in the book on many occasions without any issue. Even so I’ve also modified the way I use it a bit but not out of any issues I’ve experienced with it, it should work completely fine as is for the majority of people (though with some room for improvement).

Also: “In short our mental capacity is fvking weak and can’t hold up to a Goetia demon” - going into things with this mindset will almost always open the door for bad experiences. If you don’t see yourself as the commanding and ultimate power in the ritual, then you will often end up having a less than smooth experience.

Not trying to disconut your experience at all but this does seem a bit like fearmongering. The system has worked for many without issues. My only personal criticism of it is that it doesn’t suggest banishing and setting up wards beforehand, which I think is the actual added protection that should be focused on, but besides that it appears to work fine.

Imo, any beginners or new people interested in trying it and worried about this would benefit more from doing a godform assumption like The Bornless Rite beforehand and looking into other things to do beforehand like banishing instead of switching the sigils.

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We have a cross post here when it came out:

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I’m very doubtful of that. The book is several years old. If truly the inherent protections were so weak as to make the demons cause havoc, all occult communities would be flooded with reports about it. Many books that cause the merest form of disruption are brought up almost daily within communities and you’re telling me this book somehow flew under the radar. With all the experienced occultists, that is unlikely.

Meanwhile plenty of people have been using this book without issues. So go figure.

In fact I say using a different sigil from a different system is likely more dangerous than following the ritual and instructions as-is.

If you’re truly concerned, just banish before and after. But from my experience with that book, it is not needed. If the name of two angels are enough to banish, I don’t see how the ritual structure would even allow the demons to cause havoc.

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This is just my personal advice to those who dont want to fvk up their lives.. Im not trying to instill fear in people or trying to disuade people from using this text . The system works , the book works but heed my advice…

Its effective but I caution you again..Do not use those unbound sigils. And no ,speaking the angelic names alone is NOT ENOUGH. I am not speaking from assumption but from actual experience while working with the book

The reason this has flown under the radar of many practitioners is cause they dont take note of the aftermath.They are quickly blinded by the result then they neglect the aftermath in the upcoming months/weeks. These goetia demons Don’t depart when you license them too. (Read that again). For some reason they linger around even after you’ve dismissed them. Banishing doesn’t help with shit. Banishing only minimizes the goetia demons current for about 2-3 days or so and then it comes back.

When you activate those unbound sigils you are literally setting the demon free into your inner world.. The demons current some how enters through your third eye and goes into your inner world and into your mind. Not only but some how its energy/current starts to blend into your reality, and blends with your own aura/ energy aswell.

Which is why its important to use bound sigils , because the emissary angels and the ruling angel alongside the words of power bind the demon from being able to enter your mind/ inner world.

That way your intention is directed towards the demon. Not the other way around. Your intention is then created by the demon . Not the other way around (READ that again). By using an unbound sigil and you are giving the demon the power to control YOUR intention. Its a mind battle which you cant possibly win..

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Infact coming to think of it and judging by some of these comments. We’re utterly fvked,

I change my advice. My final advice is, if you see a book about the goetia , discard of it. Never work with it. We humans are too stupid to fathom how intelligent and powerful the goetia demons are.

I suggest that anyone who wants to work with them get yourself a copy of the “Sacred Magic Of Abramelin The Mage”. Then do research about the subordinate/lesser demons which are ruled by the specific goetia demon you want to work with. Work with their familiar or the lesser demon ..The lesser demons are gonna be easier for you to control and get rid of.. Plus they’ll deliver the same results if not better. Truth be told theres no reason to work with the 72 goetia, you are not gonna be an millionaire or win the jackpot by working with them. And the results you’ll get from them are gonna be minimal if not disappointing. And irregardless they make YOU do most of the work

So trust me stick with the lesser demons. That way, you are least likely to fvk up your life and piss off a powerful demon , worst not just to fvk up this life but your next life aswell..The goetia are timeless beings , you dying doesn’t end or break their connection to you . Even in the next life , after life or reincarnated they’ll find you once the connection is established.

It takes only one stupid mistake. And unfortunately we humans make alot of those stupid mistakes on a daily basis ..

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So basically “Demons are bad, just trust me bro. I have no reliable, proven source for my statement but Christianity and Hollywood said demons are bad so obviously they are“.

Looking at Read : Before working with the 72 goetia I’m not sure why would anyone take you seriously.

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This has pretty much devolved into a post with the demons bad trope again.

”We humans are too stupid to fathom how intelligent and powerful the goetia demons are.” - actually, we’re the ones who give them permission to express their power here and through it have our will enacted. Without us to call them, they aren’t able to exert their influence here. WE are the missing piece of the puzzle for them. If you know much about DMT you’ll know that it’s a widespread experience where the higher entities ask the human to inhabit their body just to experience being human for a small amount of time. These are evolved and powerful beings wanting to have the human experience. We are uniquely gifted in that we have all the capacity and capability for physical experience, intellectual thought and spiritual experience and we are able to use this to learn about demons and other beings and call them here to enact our will.

Demons are powerful, yes, and they are dangerous. But the fact of the matter is, the will of the operator is supreme. Like EA received from Azazel “The Infernal Hierarchy is as follows: The operator, and everything else in existence”. If you work with them and recognise that you are the commanding power and authority, nothing will go wrong. If you have a mindset where you say “oh im such a helpless feeble human and you’re such a grand powerful demon, may you please help me kind sir?” then you’re gonna get walked over, led on, and experience bad results.

I can tell you from personal experience of using this book, and other similar methods for over a year that I’ve had exceptionally fast and life changing results working with the goetia demons. I’ve been working with demons for multiple years now but it’s only been a year and a half or so since I’ve begun working with them in this manner, and the results have been faster than ever.

Before, I never used to do any type of commanding because I had your mindset. I assumed they were powerful and they shouldn’t be treated in that way. I had many results back then too, so things still worked fine for me, but those multiple years of results came with all sorts of other headaches. Ever since I began standing in my own authority, the past year of results makes the previous 5 years of results pale in comparison. They deliver almost every time with speed and accuracy of what I want.

Demons are not some supreme monolith where you make one mistake and suddenly you’re blacklisted and targeted for life. They want to be called and they don’t mind if they’re commanded or called in another way. Some people choose to work with them in other ways and almost all the time, it’s entirely fine. Also, commanding doesn’t mean you disrespect or behave harshly or any of that. It just means you recognise that you are the authority and ultimate power in the ritual, what you want is most important, and that you’re unafraid of asserting your will and reaffirming this fact if need be. You absolutely can banish a demon and it’s not just a 2-3 day thing, if they don’t depart when you tell them to then you likely didn’t act as the supreme authority in the ritual.

”The demons current somehow entering into your third eye, inner world and mind and somehow blending into your reality and energy and aura” just seems like a jumble of buzzwords with no real basis and doesn’t really make sense. If you’re saying all types of negative things will happen from “the demon entering your mind and inner world” then either you’re doing something wrong or you’re unwittingly working with something else.

Again, what you need is godform assumptions and banishing rather than fearmongering and woe-is-me thinking. Those are two additions that would probably help far more than just saying “omg demons are bad and scary and we humans can’t handle them”… because the answer is no.

We absolutely can handle them. Lots of us have good working relationships with them, whether we command them or not. Lots of us have experienced first-hand the positive changes brought by demons into our lives, and lots of us have respect and appreciation for the demons that have helped us. Does this mean they’re fuzzy bunnies? Clearly not. But they’re not some all-evil monsters that are out to get us either. Everyone is entitled to their own belief and most of the world believes that demons are bad. We know otherwise from our own experiences. Taking that into account, why would we believe someone blindly saying they’re bad or not to be worked with?

Check the name of the forum you’re on again. We’re all living gods and not helpless feeble humans. If you don’t remember that and act with that capacity in your magick, then what can you really expect?

I’m not discounting your experience at all, but what I am saying is that your mindset clearly explains why you have the experiences you do and until you change it, you likely will continue thinking demons are some mighty evil beings who will only cause issues.

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Well said.

I’m still bound in standard Christian thinking, except for the fact I do Gray Magick.

Demons deliver. Fast.

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Middle hand for me-Balancing the darkness and the light within

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I read mixed reviews , some people fully trust entities and some people say you cant fully trust

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I grew up christian and we’re programmed a certain way . I’m still deconstructing, people tend to be more comfortable with angels. Someone told me weeks ago how under God’s command Angels were no joke in the bible .

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Isn’t this topic near identical to the one you posted here: Read : Before working with the 72 goetia

@Mulberry i shall leave it to you whether to merge the two topics

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Yes it’s more like the OP had issues and had decided it’s not for him, and have made the common mistake of assuming that magick works the same way for everyone, which we have now explained in exhaustive detail that it doesn’t, and that’s why some people can agree with this, and some won’t.

We know that these things don’t always work and can cause problems, but for some reason those guys haven’t been around to agree on these threads.

I will close this out now in favor of the main book review thread here: - people who have reviews of this book please feel free to keep posting there: New Henry Archer book [Magick of Angels and Demons]

Or the OPs issues with this kind of magick in general is also happening here: Read : Before working with the 72 goetia

Post closed to avoid confusion with the duplication.

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