People can and do channel, even E.A. did a channelling vid with the 9 Demonic Kings, however it is a thing that should be contrasted against that member’s experience because psychic muscles are real, and also, always run any answers against common sense no matter who is giving them.
But yeah, in principle and practice it can be done, and the medium is often better at giving messages than a beginner, or someone in distress, whose own ego and fears get in the way.
Doesn’t mean every single one is sold gold though (and that’s without the difficult and controversial topic of “Spirits get shit wrong sometimes”! )
There is a tiny chance of validation - for example- when someone else is able to actually know about the gnosis, the words, the pictures, just ANYTHING that has been given to you by an entity without knowing you or your involvement at all. It happened to me a handful of times on here and thats how I know which person I can personally trust with messages/channelings.
I did a write up in my journal on second hand gnosis and why I don’t deal in it. In regards to this particular q&a, I have twice put questions out there that I already knew the answers to. And twice the answers weren’t even in the ballpark.
Remember though this forum started out for peer testing, and taking a fundamentally DIFFERENT route and approach to magick than the old faith and mumbo-jumbo models.
Putting your ass out there is hard work and while it’s easy to talk about trust, if someone is sincere it’s their work that we should be giving honest and constructive feedback on, NOT the quality of their personality, nor their reputation as a member.
You can look at it as exercise on the part of the channeler. The trouble is that many don’t and just uncritically gobble up anything put out there as gnosis. I have seen a disturbing lack of critical thinking going around in this regard. Testing and validation has gone out the window.
I have seen that too and I can understand it in a way as people are desperate to believe. I think definitely a questioning mind is the best policy, blindly believing is dangerous in my opinion. The saying having an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out is appropriate
Right. It’s a balancing act. When you are receiving gnosis you really have to open yourself up and shut off the critical mind. But afterwards, you gotta remember to turn the critical thinking back on. Spirit communications aren’t always what they seem to be
I agree, putting yourself out there is a big thing and if they are sincere then awesome…BUT do you think there are some that it is an ego trip for rather than the benefit of others?
We can bring that old cat back in though, by dropping a reminder where a topic seems to be being treated excessively as The One Truest Truth™ that we are here to peer-test, so share experiences as magicians, and not pronounce great truths, as though from on high.
I mean, except my shit, you’re all gonna get tails one day whether you like it or not!
I completely agree. I do also think people need to have more faith in their own abilities rather than looking to someone else to give them answers, we are all capable of getting the answers and messages ourselves, and maybe that is the only way to trust the communication and even that is sometimes difficult like you say to get out of our own way. The true mark of a magickian in my opinion is doing the workings and practice yourself. There is no one person who knows it all or has a “special relationship” with one entity more than another. I have a patron demon but I dont think this makes me special and that people would have to go through me to commune with him. I do honestly believe we have the same capabilities, just a matter of honing them and believing in ourselves.
This sounds a lot like Robert Anton Wilson’s belief regarding subjective reality, that we each really experience our own reality, and what we perceive to be objective is the small portion of our subjective realities that we have in common.
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