Psychology & Related Debate

I seem to have output a lot of text. If you (both the person I am replying to and the general forum readers) would like to learn more about Psychology (and therefore dark magick) and its political and business applications, read on. If you prefer to not have your beliefs questioned, you should skip this one.

I’m afraid I had to use more of a dense style with more difficult language than is my usual practice here. If you like my writing you’ll probably like this anyways, but I thought I’d point out that I typically make an effort to be more concise and accessible.

Science and Control Section

I suppose I’ll first say that I don’t believe Psychology as a scientific field (an Sociology even moreso) to be particularly “popular” or well-respected, at least among the cultures of elite academic institutions where the majority of high-impact research is conducted. I would say that most in other STEM fields believe it to be either pseudoscientific, or Science for Dummies. Not because of any well thought-out opinion, mind you, but just as a way to somehow inflate their already swollen egos even more. People love to talk shit on straw-men they don’t even realize are straw-men due to their ignorance.

I must also say that I find it quite confusing that you seem to believe that Psychology is both a pseudoscience that does not make correct claims about human cognition or behavior, yet you also seem to believe that governments or other organizations use Psychology to control the masses. If Psychology was fake rubbish, then it couldn’t be used to control people because it wouldn’t work. Much like magick, in that regard.

I am also confused as to why exactly you believe Psychology to be pseudoscientific. Just because a field is young and rapidly evolving does not mean it is invalid or unscientific in nature, as science is about the process and methodology used to advance knowledge, not the age of the discipline. If you choose to defend this position, be sure to include why you believe that statistics and careful use of experimental design are unscientific in nature when used by Psychologists, but not, say, Biologists.

The point you may be trying to make is that rhetoric, along with insights from psychological science, are used to control the masses. I would more or less agree with this point. Things like business advertising and political messaging make use of rhetorical and psychological strategies to influence how people think and behave, such that they buy your product or vote for you or believe in your agenda or what-have-you.

This isn’t exactly a new idea, however. We get the word and discipline of Rhetoric from the ancient Greeks, and humans have been persuading each other of things since the beginning. Nowadays we just have access to much more sophisticated methods, due to academic progress and experience, and widespread communication networks unlike anything we have ever seen before. The fact that I am able to have this conversation with you now, in front of an audience of silent onlookers, on a forum for the dark magick community, is testament to that.

To conclude this section, I will say that I believe most, if not all conspiracy theories to be illogical, mad ravings of people with uncontrolled paranoia (which, fun fact, could be Paranoid Personality Disorder). The leaps that people make are quite ridiculous when viewed by one unhindered by such a huge amount of cognitive dissonance. Now, that being said, I think it would be hard to deny that governments do some sketchy stuff in the name of maintaining power. Anyone who has worked with demons extensively should be familiar enough with this mindset to understand this. I don’t want to get political, however, so I will end this train of thought here.

Meds and Brain Stuff Section

Allow me to quickly address the meds issue. I am of the opinion that if you are able to use psychotherapeutic methods to overcome a mental disorder, such as major depression or generalized anxiety, then that is much better than taking drugs with a bevy of less-than-desirable side-effects.

With that being said, I also understand that for some, their condition is so severe that they are unable to engage with the therapy and practice what they are being taught. In these cases, I think it is good to carefully administer medication, while continuing therapy. The side-effects would presumably be less of a hindrance for the patient than the symptoms of their disorder, and would be worth bearing to eliminate said disorder.

I believe the problem that can arise from medications mainly has to do with treating mental disorders like biological diseases, to which they actually bear little resemblance. Illnesses are often a result of a foreign agent entering the body and causing negative disruption (to note, I am grossly generalizing and speaking outside my area here). Mental disorders, on the other hand, are more akin to a piece of the system itself malfunctioning from within (I realize that some diseases work this way as well, but elaborating further would require much more space, and is likely outside my ability to do well). Now, obviously with things like trauma there is an outside event(s) that triggers something like PTSD, but it is not the trauma itself, but the individual’s reaction to it that causes the disorder.

Aside from the scientific theory behind these disorders, which spans across all areas within the field today (clinical, cognitive, social, behavioral, personality, etc), this distinction can be quite clearly seen when one is given medication, but no therapy, and is later taken off medication. I’d have to dig up my sources on this one, but studies have shown that nearly every time this is done the patient will relapse back into their disorder (the study I am recalling was just for mood disorders, I should add). This seems to be because the patient has not learned how to think and behave in such a way that will alleviate their disorder. In other words, the meds only ease some of the symptoms, but they do not actually fix the problem.

I seem to have grown tired. I will end with a quick note. The quote about the left-hemisphere / right-hemisphere stuff doesn’t make any sense. That is not at all how brain functionality works. I can sort of see where they could be getting that (split brain patient case studies), but calling that logic a stretch is a huge understatement.


If anyone read all of that, or even a part of it, have an internet high-five :raised_back_of_hand:

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Thought I’d add a quick note here. Modern clinical work is not split between Freud and Jung. It is something completely different that generally has nothing to do with either of these people. There are some schools that will teach Freudian psychoanalysis, but they are not accredited as doing legitimate scientific research. Some people like it, and if you do that’s fine, but its methods are not scientific.

Jung is even less popular than Freud nowadays. Pop culture still likes MBTI to an extent, which if I recall correctly is rooted in Jung’s work, but it has failed to scientifically replicate.

Please see my other comment if you want to know why this doesn’t make sense. Many people seem to have trouble with thinking statistically, along with the definition of the word “science.”

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I’m willing to bet that there are much less mentally ill people than there are claimed to be, that’s part of my point. I’m not mentally ill, but somehow you didn’t read my posts regarding SOMEBODY’s involvement in spreading psychology so as to silence dissidents and make people more violent, which an article linked above proves that the FDA has already proven.

Nitpicking is a clear way of avoiding the real subject.

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This is part of what I was trying to convey to these fruit cakes. Somebody doesn’t want civilians using magic, the fewer believe or practice it, the better for them.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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But they did technically cure it on many occasions. But they reduced the patient to a vegetable afterwards.

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Just because something is “recognised” doesn’t meant it’s true. The Branch Davidians “recognised” that they were God’s chosen and that David Koresh was a prophet. Today’s society is nothing more than a large cult with barely tangible beliefs as far from Natural evidence as they’ve ever been.

You talk of physical evidence and then bring a subjective metaphysical variable into it? Are you having a laugh?

There’s no such thing as monsters in the causal universe. Just action-orientated individuals who’s ideology the cattle cannot comprehend. So to hide this lack of insight, people blanket them as"monsters," which is really asinine and shows an extreme lack of intellect and intelligence. In the causal, a “monster” is an individual you do not understand and never will.

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I didn’t read your post at all no, I gave my view on it. I don’t believe there’s any other explanation for it. Schizophrenia is what it is. Some people can be misdiagnosed sure but many occultist try to over fantasize it into something it’s not. I do not feed ideas that apparently conspiracy theories that someone is claiming people to be schizophrenic because they don’t want them doing magick that’s delusion of gander to me. I also do not care for the idea that telling schizophrenic people they are just misdiagnosed especially by newbie occultists who have no degree to or real knowledge on it besides what magick communities tell them about super psychics.

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Shit, what if it is schizophrenia? This would explain that lack of general consensus for a lot things regarding demonic evocation.

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didnt know this thread was going to pick up as it did, lmao :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Fair point. I’m not personally opposed to any kind of discrimination, however psychologists seem to think they’re scientists when they’re still torturing, and conducting human experiments on people to this day, not based on science though, based on ideals. How many people are committed to psychiatric wards, that aren’t even really crazy? How many of these people were put there to silence them, and in exchange they could do to them whatever they pleased.

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Considering a little over 1% of the earth’s population has schizophrenia, it’s pretty amazing all you guys know “a lot of schizophrenics”.
I just wanted to say this because anything else will get me in trouble. :+1:

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how do you know its 1 percent? maybe its more they just dont come forward

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Oh no reason, aside from easily obtainable statistics. Currently 23 million people worldwide.
I’m not getting involved here though, I just wanted to make that observation while I wait for my temp ban on fb to expire.

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well all im saying maybe its a little more its just people are afraid to come out, like being gay in the 30s

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1 in every 125 people here. It’s not that uncommon.

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wow really? do you by any chance have statistics? how did you get at that number?

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I’m not saying there aren’t, I’m just going with the figures provided by the WHO, considering that things like that are literally their jobs.

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I’m absolutely going to have to call shenanigans on this.

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nvvg.nl/files/39/concept_rl_schizo_10.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi9iofOvLzkAhUCLlAKHcWEC2UQFjAGegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw38YaaV16qN3qKmpPe0AN7n

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