People find me disgusting but demons dont

No im quite the attractive alpha male but something about me is offputing like i stated in my earlier posts meditation doesnt do much for me

Not sure what you’re asking about.
Do you want to connect with human females more or connect with your spirit lover?

My reply was to someone else did you read my initial post?


Meditation is definitely a chore. But it has been highly effective in improving EVERY aspect of my life. I’m sure a lot of people on this forum will say the same thing.

Anyhow, check out “The Angels of Love” by Dana Blaise. Based on what you have said in this thread and a previous one, I think you would find several of the rituals in it very helpful.


Purposeful meditation is one thing mental masturbation is another i have found no good resources on meditation from any source althpugh i am making my way through the soul travel course and habe begun to soul travel again i wouldnt know where to start with meditation

First off…

Remember that your offputing qualities can always be changed. In my own personal experience, EVERYTHING that consists of you can be changed. The only thing that remains constant is awareness behind it all.

The only thing that is stopping you from changing these qualities is you yourself. Are you willing to destroy yourself and recreate yourself anew?

If so, then you have resolved your problem already.

Now, before you decide to jump straight into love and lust magick, WORK ON YOURSELF first. For this, I recommend…

drum roll please…


They have been instrumental in helping me develop my internal state. I never had any problems, and they are immensely kind.

But first off, create TWO different lists - one of your positive qualities, and one of your negative qualities.


Now go through your list, and see what you will change, then think how you might ask an entity to work on this quality. Start working on improving that quality and get assistance from one of these angels (or find another one, I ain’t judgin’).

Here are some angels that absolutely kick ass:

Vaviel - this guy can make you literally fascinating. Be ready for everyone to want to pry inside the deepest corners of your soul though!
Amiel - amazing angel that can help you become your most attractive and charming self, and also relaxed with attractive people.
Cahetel - ever wanted a voice that boomed throughout the room and made everyone turn around? This guy is your bro.
Gavriel - an angel that will make steel out of you and help you develop your inner strength. Amazing.
Tahariel - call on this angel to purify your thoughts and emotional state. Think of it as starting from a cleaner slate.

Work through your negative list, then work and improve on your positive list. You will see women start to love the deepest parts of you.

Again, work, work, work.

Then, when you have worked on yourself exhaustively, and want to kick it into overdrive, then jump into love and lust magick. Books that I recommend are Damon Brand’s Adventures in Sex Magick and the other one that was love based (can’t remember it, rofl).

If you’d like to go for demons at this point, look into Beleth and Sitri. I’ve heard they are awesome. Sitri, for example, has been described as “sex, sex, sex, so much sex”. :grin:

And I’ve heard that Beleth can cause insatiable love for the magickian.

Good luck. :slight_smile:


I’m taking notes here myself. Is there a particular ritual that you like to use with these angels?

I believe the book you might be thinking of is “Magickal Seduction” by Damon Brand. It is effective.

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Interesting point to make for me: i have been urged to work with angels in the last week or so. Just didnt know who to start with id like the ritual details as well if you can pm them to me

Do you have an attitude? Clingy? Shower those factors could play a part. I might be good looking but ky attitude can mess up a relation… I also agree with brocksamson you should do some inner work


Yay! Someone recognized me! :grin:


Honestly? I just did super simple rituals with them. Simplicity and will is the heart of magick.

You focus on their sigils (if you have them, if not I can probably get them for y’all or just use their names) and SING their names. Big piece of info that worked absolute magick (heheh) for me.

Doesn’t matter how you sing those names, as long as you do.

They usually appear very quickly.

If you have the sigils, open them, then as you keep looking, sing their names. When you feel that “pop” of connection, keep looking and state your desire with EMOTION. You might want to write down what you want to say beforehand, or just let your heart pour out.

Just like with demons, not lying is the best course of action. Tell them how you are feeling, and what you want to change. It can be as short or as long as you want.

When you are done, put yourself into the timeframe where the task has been done already, say Thank You (spirit) and feel GRATITUDE for the task that has been done and for the results.

Angels only really need gratitude, but make it from the heart. They really value honestly and will move mountains and seas for you.

Honestly, if you sing their names with emotion (no matter how shitty your singing is) and try to put your desire into that singing, they WILL show up. In short, keep it simple and honest.

P.S As for evoking, do the same thing, but instead of stating your desire, just ask them to appear in beholdable form. Same as demons really. This is SUPER useful for gaining more information on yourself and working with the angel towards changing yourself. Once you do the short rituals, do try and evoke them. This will most likely have HUGE impacts on you and your results, because you won’t fight them every step of the way. They will get through to you either way though.


I recognize some of that. They use some similar methods in some of the Gallery of Magick books.

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Evocation works equally good with angels as it does demons

Yes. Similar. Taking what is useful and discarding what is not. :slight_smile:

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Interesting point to make for me: i have been urged to work with angels in the last week or so. Just didnt know who to start with id like the ritual details as well if you can pm them to me

Check my post to Frater. You got all you need to begin there.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and maybe you set the bar too high and you might also have a tendency of shallowness of the opposite sex. With a shallow point of view, you limit yourself by not exploring beneath the surface of what you consider “disgusting” or “unappealing”.

I’ve had the best sexual experience with, in your eyes, women you find “unattractive” and I’ve had bad sex with very attractive women. How come? Maybe because when we release the limitation of a shallow point of view, and see the best parts of one another, we can truly be ourselves in the most intimate and vulnerable moments of a sexual experience. There’s an honesty there, and as a currency, it’s the most valuable currency there is.

You know why relationship with spirits seems easier than with humans? Because they don’t judge by our looks, and they are attracted to other things. But that doesn’t make a relationship with spirits without challenges, because there is challenging at times. But it’s totally worth it.


I have loved all my life with people whom society would consider “ugly” and yes it was beautiful at times yet people still seem to have a distant hatred that i feel from them like a person sensing anothers aura i can sense their hatred for me and contempt maybe this is why i am drawn to a spirit lover and prefer the spirit world to the “real subjective reality” that we live in

If you are looking to get started on meditation, try the exercises in Franz Bardon’s Initiation into Hermetics. In there meditation is broken down into the simplest steps possible, leading to the more difficult stuff. The book is available free on the web.

EA also has a video with one of the easiest meditations ever.
Simple Meditation To inject Your Life With Magick [EAK] - Become A Living God

Also check out Lady Eva’s excellent “challenge” post on meditating for as little as three minutes a day.

Meditation can definitely help with negative self image or behaviors, along with the other advice given regarding angels.


Hi @Godmagus I’m pretty much the same as you, people always find me more or less repulsive, psychotic etc, whatever I do. It’s not that big of a deal to me because I’m very asocial and only happy in loneliness but I wish I could understand. Whatever I can’t comprehend drives me insane and yesterday I was thinking exactly the same thing as you, how come spirits aren’t repulsed by me like humans…

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@Lola im not sure but that is the case with me. Perhaps its because im more spiritually higher then the rest of them and demons are looking out for me. Feel free to pm me as i would love to speak more about this with you outside of the forum posts