Opinions on Occultists that claim to know it all?

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There is an Occult youtuber I follow who talks as if he knows the secrets of the Universe and claims because he is fully initiated in the Kabbalah to know so much.

Now while there are some things I agree with him on and lean towards being true, his amount of claims to universal knowledge is astounding.

Here’s some things I would love to challenge him on:

How do you know that the entities that you have connected with aren’t manipulating you and are feeding you truth mixed with lies?

Also how can you claim that in the end everyone will be saved and evolve to being a God. Yes I get that scientifically energy never dies and we are made of atoms but will everyone’s individual consciousness really continue to live on for eternity?

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I think I know who you are talking about.
If that is the case, he does seem to be pretty knowledgable and a very accomplished occultist, for the relative short time he’s been on this path, but don’t believe everything he says to be the whole truth.

Apart from it being impossible for anyone to claim to have full knowledge of the spiritual reality. Sometimes his truth seems to be solely filtered through his own lens of experiences instead of any scholarly knowledge to back it up.

If we’re talking about two different Youtubers, this probably still applies.

Personally I take what resonates, leave the rest as is. Maybe mull it over a little and do some research on my own, to see if it warrants altering my opinion on things.

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My question is, why do you give a shit what he thinks or his opinion of himself? He’s entitled to his own opinion, as you are to yours, so who cares?

Eh, you do know, it’s just an opinion. Opinions are like armpits - everybody’s got a couple. :slight_smile:

Yes, it’s annoying when people state opinions as facts, this is a well-know logical fallacy and belies a lack of communication skills or self development - or it may be on purpose to generate engagement, in which case you totally fell for it :slight_smile: It can cause knee-jerk reactions and attracts more people to argue than it does to listen. This is his problem… why make it yours?

I’d say, refocus on yourself and worry less about random other people, you’re the only one that actually matters here.

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Yes the problem for me is I fell into a loop of just following his channel and his opinions for all spiritual knowledge and believing them for being fact because I saw him as qualified.

But overtime I feel as though some of his views can be sort of harmful at least for me, it was bringing my energy down and making the world feel dull.

I still will watch him but will also keep as you said an open mind and take his personal experiences with a pinch of salt.

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Hi, I cared about his opinions because he claims to be a fully initiated occultist that has deep knowledge of the Universe and as I said in a reply to the other user I fell into a trap of believing everything he said.

But your analysis of people that act in that (I have secret gnosis that is 100% true) mindset should be listened to with caution :+1:

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That is a healthy way to go about it.
It’s not a bad thing to have taken his word for gospel for a while and finding out it doesn’t completely serve you and your energy. It’s a pretty valuable lesson to learn from experience, rather than someone else telling you.
You can take what you have learned in knowledge and from your senses and use it from now on as a tool to discern if someone elses knowledge, however credible it might sound, is useful to you.

Just out of curiosity. This dude, is a blond dude that claims mastery over the universe and becoming a “vampire” is the way to go?

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Yeah, there’s on old saying I grew up with:

Believe nothing you hear, and only half you see.

I hold to this, And it parallels a thing you hear from Buddhists, that you must not just believe any guru, on any matter: you have to experience a thing for yourself before you believe it.

Anyone telling you otherwise is fake and not actually a guru.

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Yes, we are speaking about the same guy.

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I follow him as well and watched a bunch of his stuff. He’s got some pretty useful knowledge about processing issues and trauma’s.
His occult techniques can be pretty practical and effective as well.
I usually kinda zone out if he gets a little to conspiracy-y, however.

But yeah, most of it is from his own experience and a lot of it seems to not be backed up by actual scholarly psychological knowledge on trauma therapy. So it will not be beneficial to just anybody.

I always pick and choose what suits me and try to tailor it to my own style.
Trying to find different perspectives on the matter helps as well to find what would benefit you.

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I think him bringing light to trauma is probably his best point. I myself have definitely recognised the importance of dealing with my traumas from his videos.

In terms of the conspiracy stuff I am somewhat of a conspiracy guy myself. I do believe there are energies (in human form and non human form) that want to bring harm/misguide humanity.

But that does not mean I agree with everything he says on these subjects a lot of his conspiracy theories are from books or videos he’s watched and then gives his own take on it.

Again as I said in the original post what if the vampiric entities he says he is in contact with are manipulating him!

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Hahahahahaha! yeah… that’s a question I ask myself A LOT as well. Concerning valid claims of others as well as my own experiences and practice.
It brings a lot of doubt to the table, which isn’t always that harmful. It does tend to help me keep my eyes and ears open to attempts at doing harm and the “winning/ gathering souls” motive.

In my opinion it boils down to trusting your own capabilities, intuition, insightfulness and souvereignity.
Paired with knowing what speaks to you, what motivates you and how that influences you and can even be used by others (human and spirit) to manipulate you.

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He believes that demons and other entities are actually beings from other planets that have evolved to being a single consciousness.

He also says that every human has to make a choice to either follow the negative path or positive path and which one you choose echoes on for eternity.

What are your thoughts on these ideas?

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I can see where he’s coming from.
He might be right in some sense, he might also miss the point or the bigger picture… It’s an interesting view to entertain. These beings as some hyper egregores formed by numerous societies on numerous worlds and turning into greater currents, instead of a singular being.

I don’t think we can ever know the true essence of demons, while still existing in the physical layer of the cosmos. So my view is to not concern myself with what the actual truth is. He might even be more accurate in his views than me, but it doesn’t really matter that much. I rather focus on what feels right, what clicks in my situation and gives the desired results. Overall I just like to keep my options open. I usually entertain certain beliefs and views for a while, without really asociating myself too much with those beliefs too much. I might discard it later on, I might keep parts that I resonate with or that suit me at the time being.
I think the most valuable ability to have on any spiritual path is the ability to be fluid about your views, so you can adapt and even completely change your beliefs when it seems necessary.

I always operate with the saying of the Kybalion regarding polarity in mind, in this regard.
Butchering it slightly in my own words: “Every truth is only half true and every paradox can be reconciled”

In this case, I agree with the part of at least some of these demons are not a singular being, but a current or movement acting in unison while part of it. A certain singular being or spirit can act as a spokesperson in some cases. I’m not too sure of them being E.T.'s. They might be cosmic principles or aspects that somehow gained or developed some sort of consciousness.

Another example of the benefits (for me) of not completely asociating myself with something and holding on to it as the single truth or even just my single truth, is that I have started following a system or occult current that requires a lot of devotion and surrender, but where I don’t fully agree with the gnosis of it’s founder. I do resonate with it enough to be able to justbsurrender that same view when doing the initiation and evolutionary work and that gives me great results. Far greater than when I try to mash those techniques into my own specific belief system.

I don’t actually agree with that. I think you might be better suited for one or the other for a lifetime, sometimes several lifetimes. But I think you have to experience whatever you need to experience to evolve and it’s not that black or white.
In my opinion true ascension and enlightenment is mainly about the true balance of the light and dark and the divine masculine and divine feminine aspects within yourself.
In order to achieve that balance, I strongly believe that you have to truly know and experience it all to the extend that is personal to you, usually over many lifetimes until you completely irradicated all your ignorance ^^

So to answer your other question in your original post. Everybody seems to be destined transcend the physical layer and become divine. It’s been the consensus of all true spiritual teachings for millennia, either by complete affinity with the absolute and vibrating their way out of this density or by becoming godlike and again vibrating their way out of it. Or perhaps even something inbetween.
That evolution is just a long road, spanning countless lifetimes and it seems and expresses itself differently for every soul.

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Interesting so do you see being human as a privilege? And are animals/insects destined to evolve to being Gods?
I myself would love to evolve and go somewhere with less pain and trauma.

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I have no idea about animals. I am not entirely sure we are the only life on this planet with the capacity for spiritual evolution/ ascension. We know very little about the beings we share our planet with and learn more about animal and even plant consciousness that contradicts previous theories all the time.
It’s not really being human itself I see as a privilege. It’s being a (divine) lifeform that has the opportunity to evolve hrough all the different densities/ vibration levels.

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To be honest with you, when i hear such claims it’s over for me, i won’t take that person seriously.

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^ Yeah I try not to be knee-jerk in my reactions and hear people out, there’s always a chance I just misunderstood them, as a single sentence doesn’t always include all the data and context needed to see where they are coming from, but it’s hard not to be dismissive when you hear something that immediately conflicts with your own worldview.

So this is two different beliefs. I’m not offended by the the first as it fits parts of my UPG that some entities - not most of them but some - are ETs. For example Sitri came across as Arcturian, Sun’tal’ock appeared to me as three Tall Grays called Sun, Tal and Ock… I think there’s no smoke without fire here and it needs more investigation, especially as since then I have come accross other people saying the same thing, this guy is just one of many.

I wouldn’t see why he thinks they’re all the same being or consciousness though. Especially if they ARE ETs, or some of them, these are individuals like us. However, Humans have a collective consciousness, so maybe he’s tapping into a similar astral collective that way, through the egregoric being that represents an organization they are in.

Doesn’t really make sense to me given my view of what a human is. I also didn’t believe in duality this way, since I see duality as an artifact of physical survival needs. Energy is not good or bad until you have taken a position in reality from which you can judge it. So I don’t know what a negative path or positive path is supposed to be. You could argue that incarnating automatically makes you negative because you have to consume other living things to live - all of those will see you as negative automatically because you negatively impact their goal of survival.

So this is a very specific position and there are a bunch of unstated assumptions where it only works if those assumptions are met.

And then why “eternity” and what does that mean? Why does he think we started as humans and can only be human? Humans on Earth won’t exists for eternity anyway, and the only constant is change, so this seems a bit… small minded. There’s way more to “eternity” than being human or even Earthbound.

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take what you need and leave the rest

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I don’t even know their name, but whoever they are, they’re full of it. True currents are endless; full initiation into any system takes lifetimes.

Spiritual narcissism marks an amateur leader, and spiritual bypassing (with toxic positivity) marks an amateur follower. Bs is so recognizable; i’m glad you caught his.

Spiritual narcissism is a GUARANTEE he’s being lied to.

A god complex is the delusion deluding. That or he’s a fraudulent medium calling in elementaries and other time-wasting things that proceed to blow smoke up his ass.

You know the drill: blah blah blah they’re God’s Gift To The World blah blah blah They Are A God blah blah blah Here Are The Secrets To The Universe blah blah blah They’re Here To Save Everybody blah blah blah. Then they try to recruit you into their mess. Predictable.

Ego death is just the beginning of the true journey. Living magick humbles you quick.

Lies and fantasies are a great comfort for many in this game. Not everybody uses occultism to improve reality, some are in it for the escapism. In their fantasy world, problems don’t exist. Or they’re the Grandmaster of Everything and you are their inferior student who knows nothing until they sell you their Precious Secret.

Some people want to lie, others want to be lied to. When you’re a truth-seeker, liars enrage you, but realize when they’re into delusion and deception, your truth also enrages them.

Don’t get caught up in useless, time-wasting arguments with people like that. Recognize LARP and pseudoscience. Then swerve them and keep moving!

We are NOT humans becoming gods, we’re animals trying to become decent human beings. A genuinely virtuous human being is far more noble and enlightened than the spiritual brats with god complex littering the New Age Movement.

The only claim any genuine occultist makes after doing real work is that everything they thought they knew about reality is probably wrong. Anyone who claims to have it all together as a result of occultism is frankly lying.

Don’t waste your time. Beware Your Mentors. You win some games by refusing to play. Get used to silently walking away from fuckery.

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I found your take on humans innately being of the negative polarity because of the way we consume other living beings interesting and makes sense. He himself says that human beings are of the negative polarity innately because we are all born with an ego, which makes us more negative.

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