In response to your reply to me, @Thedarkpilgrim … Some people in the occult do study botany and herbal medicine, especially when they embark on a herbalism path. Placebo effects also happen sometimes with crystal and faith healings. In fact the crystal placebo works on me, even though I understand it’s a placebo effect. Psychology is unfortunately one of the less-understood areas of study in general, everywhere.
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Oh absolutely.I would even go so far as to say it is fringe science much in the spirit of what magicians do.
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I have been through the link verdo sent…its purely coincidental that these things occured…if magick were real there would be a mechanism a time frame signature symptoms and signs by which spirits work and you could predict how your target will die or fall in love with you consistently…for example if i kill you with a knife everytime i will leave a great wound and there will be blood loss in great amount otherwise you cant die…and its verifiable every single time…thats how forensic medicine works…so it can be predictable if a spirit works how it works,like specific delusions symptoms consistently in all targets and that can be even used to identify the spirit…i congratulate u on ur success definitely but i dont think its magick its just chance, fucked up socio economic and family situations,natural health problems, ,psychological problems ,environmental problems of your target…
it is also a noted fact that occult related problems are prevalent in communities who believe in them…so ur enemy knows u r a mage and believes that u have power…they may self harm themselves…occult is hardly a problem in atheistic developed societies…
so unless occultists can prove they have verifiable strange info like koetting claims about the nabatean language the demons speak to him…so far through histories
there must be a specific time frame,specific signs and symptoms,duration of the signs and symptoms and specific patterns in which they manifest,specific mechanisms of action,specific treatment that you and i can readily observe and reproduce consistently, for a spirit activity otherwise you could just say anything as spirit activity.
if the target dies 2 yr 6 yrs even 20 yrs late with just about any fucking disease or accident anyone could claim magick worked, when simply it was other natural factors …
plus koetting never gives evidence of performing the devils stone ritual which would be a hard proof of materialisation which he says he has mastered.
Do you honestly think that just because a civillization has sorcerers that those sorcerers will work towards the good of the community as a whole? Most sorcerers quite frankly don’t seem to care what happens to their country. They just go up into a mountain and are never heard of again.
Especially with the Buddhists, most are all too happy to just stay in some mountain without being heard of by anyone. MAGICK IS REAL. You can’t say otherwise after having seen blatant telekinesis at work. It’s just that a lot of people who can do this simply don’t care one bit about fame, recognition or wealth.
Also, people are SO BLIND that they won’t believe in magick even after seeing it right in front of them. There are VIDEOS for goodness sake. People try to rationalize away blatant demonstrations of supernatural power instead of just accepting what is real.
Believe me, once you’ve seen even the slightest hint of how this power can truly manifest in this world you will KNOW this is real. Despite what you say @Thedarkpilgrim it IS NOT chance. You are simply fooling yourself with delusion because you are unwilling to accept magick is real. If you were to actually have faith and keep going with your practices, you will get to a point where you simply cannot deny the reality of this. Every ritual you do will manifest perfectly. Eventually, if you are dedicated enough you will see something truly unbelievable: telekinesis, objects manifesting into full physical form, poltergeist activity, someone dying the moment you cast a curse. I’ve seen things that are simply blatantly supernatural. Many on here have too[quote=“Thedarkpilgrim, post:63, topic:20686”]
if magick were real there would be a mechanism a time frame signature symptoms and signs by which spirits work and you could predict how your target will die or fall in love with you consistently…for example if i kill you with a knife everytime i will leave a great wound and there will be blood loss in great amount otherwise you cant die…and its verifiable every single time…thats how forensic medicine works…so it can be predictable if a spirit works how it works,like specific delusions symptoms consistently in all targets and that can be even used to identify the spirit…i congratulate u on ur success definitely but i dont think its magick its just chance, fucked up socio economic and family situations,natural health problems, ,psychological problems ,environmental problems of your target…
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You are wrong. You are trying to view magick through your own limited, mundane understanding. Trying to equate magick with some mundane clouded view you have of the world is how you fail. Don’t try to rationalize it. Accept what comes as real, because I assure you it is.
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Sorry mate if you could do pyrokinesis you would have to generate large amount of electrical energy on your skin to burn the paper by how he appears to do it.that would burn you physically internally. See electric eels biology…it produces electricity it also protects itself from getting shocked by biological defenses…otherwise a. Electric eel couldn’t exist…and yes electric eels can produce just enough electricity on paper to burn it…but it doesnt do pyrokinesis it simply uses natural biological methods and its really dangerous
This man is outright lying…you dont have to take money but cmon spread the knowledge for others benefits…this man and the crew are just charlatans…if not why not prove this things work to scientific community
Telekinesis can be explained by misunderstood air currents and static electricity and friction lowering of the target object by making it round or cylindrical
Why on Earth would anyone want to? Most of the Ascended don’t care enough to try and prove anything.
Your problem is that you can’t accept that your worldview is both limited and mundane. Stop doubting. Stop overthinking it, and throw yourself into the practice. Your worldview is WRONG. Magick is not limited by the sort of restrictions you are trying to impose on it. Your whole explanation for pyrokinesis is trying to explain things through a mundane lense.
Dont talk about buddhists…their head dalai lama is fleeing around the world from china when he could have established the power of tibetan tantric methods reincarnation internationally which he follows but pretends to be a white mage…but he doesnt even give himself to science to prove reincarnation
Sai baba was a completely fraud person and has been debunked by magicians
@Thedarkpilgrim Stop trying to explain things through a mundane lense. Silence that part of you who wants to argue against the reality of this. Just do the practices and you will get results.
You are trying to impose non-existent causal limitations on an acausal power. Stop trying to explain these things through your current mundane understanding.
Not mundane lens but through verifiable lens…otherwise its just wishful thinking and misinterpretation…and guess why magicians hate religious people…coz they are fantasy prone irrational unquestioning biased fear stricken sick people…now magick is a technology…it cannot be a fantasy otherwise what good it is to religion
@Thedarkpilgrim The difference is that a mundane lense is when you try to explain away something that did happen because it “couldn’t be possible”. You are ignoring what is blatantly happening because it doesn’t fit your limited worldview.
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@Thedarkpilgrim The difference is that this force is real and causes real, blatant change (read: telekinetically hurling people back). It is the height of fallacy to ignore something that does happen because your mundane knowledge doesn’t allow for it.
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@Thedarkpilgrim RESULTS DO MATTER. That is very different from trying to explain things through a limited, supposedly scientific, understanding. You won’t be able to because modern scientific knowledge is completely inadequate to fully explain how these things work.
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@Thedarkpilgrim You are saying that magick can only work in a certain way, because that’s all you limited understanding will allow. Guess what? Magick is greater than such limitations.
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I have experienced obe s have even taken hallucinogens but never could prove they were anything other than hallucinations.
Sure i want magick to exist it would be great…but rational thinking is the most powerful thing a man can possess…because reality doesnt run according to my sentiments…it runs on logic…so as robert bruce says what works works…i have to stay in reality and work according to the reality
I used to believe on this stuff but careful observation debunks these magical claims reasoning and unless i see it with my own eyes of real magick…its just stories for me
But i will be open minded cause i love the unknown…so take your time…prove your talents…give the world original unknown information from the spirits
Broad spectrum vague defined terms like powerful deadly love intense handsome great poor are of no value…astrologers fool people all the time by using these terminologies which can apply to anyone…be specific on magnitude and nature of your claims
Then not only you but the world will benefit from magick if it exists even…otherwise it is just wishful thinking
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