Need some spiritual advice on Hekate and Demonolatry

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Hi everyone,

So last year I was exploring Goetic work. I worked with Bune and took on more the Demonolatry aspect rather then Solomonic methods. I found my practice under Hekate’s guidance to be more successful. I even managed to make contact with a few other spirits.

Then I decided to stop. I felt like Goetia and Demonolatry wasn’t my thing. I want to engage in more Theurgic practices, particularly with regards to spiritual enlightenment and healing.

Ever since I made that decision, Hekate went quiet and the magick just stopped. Nothing happens anymore and I must confess I’m not really getting anything else.

I spoke to a fellow witch on youtube and she basically said that I should be following Demonolatry as that is the path I am supposed to be on.

I don’t know. I have had positive experiences with it but there is an element that leaves me uncomfortable. I am more of a spiritual pagan to be honest.

I thought I’d ask here and see what others think.

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Do whatever you want, even if demonolatry is what you’re supposed to do. A sidetrack like theurgy, at the very least, gives you some additional skills and insights.

I find a connection to/ relationship with Hecate is usually very different from person to person. In my own experience whenever I am caught up in a new current or work with gods that aren’t really linked to the witchblood current, my connection can suffer a little. That’s always my own doing, not Hecate’s. Usually a reminder for me to focus on daily moments of devotion for a while again. Usually after a week or so the connection starts getting stronger again.

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Maybe you are right on this aspect. My devotion has slacked off recently. That could maybe explain why the connection has also grown.

It is weird though. In my practice I have found the demon side to be more active where as the angel side is usually very quiet.

I tried to work with Archangel Raphael last year. I really tried to setup a connection and I got zilch. Nothing. As if the door was closed.

Where as the demons usually come pretty fast and are eager to communicate.

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This is my point of view. First, no one but you can tell you what your path is; it is something you have to discover and explore. Second, demonolatry is a trap; it is a religious dogma. I started there, so personally, I would stay away from that. Hecate is weird. I worked with her successfully many years ago (like 14 years ago). I tried to work with her some months ago, but I felt I could not really connect with her.

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Tell me more about Demonolatry and why you think it is a trap. From my own observations of it, it seems to basically be paganism with Goetic spirits involved. That is my take on it anyway.

As for Hekate? Yeah I have heard this is common with her. She starts off as very active and then disappears for some time.

Have you regained your connection yet?

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Demonolatry is a religion with dogmas. I can’t deny I learnt so much from Demonolatry, but I also learnt not to worship or bow to any entity, or they will try to take whatever they want from you. As I said before, I speak from my own experience; yours could differ. About Hecate, I haven’t tried to connect with her again as mainly I am working with the Lwas (Loas) and Goetic spirits.

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Your advice here is very sound. This is why i stopped with Demonolatry. I felt deep within myself that I was not an independent being on my own spiritual journey. I never had any negative experiences from it of course but I put it down, with the same concerns like you mentioned.

So how do you work with Goetic forces these days if your not doing Demonolatry? Are you using the solomonic method or something else?

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Personally I use E.A.'s method from the modern grimoiric tradition, or Pathworking, sch as that found in Corwin Hargrove’s book Goetia Pathworking.

E.A.'s main method using a Sigil, with or without a circle:

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Say Mulberry, I know you mentioned last night that you didn’t like Demonolatry. What is your opinion on it?

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I’m an equal-opportunity hater of all dogmatic religions, that tell you you’re lesser and place entities, clerics, or anyone else above you and put you down.

I feel quite strongly that this is an insult to you and your own higher self, and it’s not asked for or appreciated by the entities - except Jehova because that particular El is some kind of sociopath :slight_smile: Not all entities are enlightened, but the ones who are, want to help or we wouldn’t know about them, and they do not need your energy, your validation or even your devotion - they want you to rise.

The benefit f evotional practices, is the consitency and effect it has on your energy to get the inner work done. It’s entirely for the practitioners benefit, and I think there’s better ways to do that without insulting yourself, which just slows you down in the end. Sooner or later you have to evolve into a sovereign individual to go get out of needing a guru,

As Lao Tzu said -

“When the student is ready, the teacher will come”

What they don’t usually mention is the rest of that quote:

“When the student is really ready, he doesn’t need a teacher.”

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I use methods said by @Mulberry . I used to add more psychodrama, but now I do it simpler.

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I always find your posts on the matter to be enlightening Mulberry. :slight_smile: I like these quotes by Lao Tzu and you know it actually has helped me in a way to look at things differently.

I have been worshipping, bowing my head and being devotional. Maybe that is where I have gone wrong. Maybe that is not what is expected of us and we are supposed to claim our own divinity….

Definitely food for thought here.

Yet here is my question. Are we really meant to reclaim divinity or is that just an LHP concept? The RHP would have a completely different concept of that, which is to submit and join a higher force in union…

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I think that depends on your worldview - as you mentioned really. I don’t believe in divinity or gods myself. I do believe that entities exists that humans call dogs and label as “the divine”, but these are just different manifestations of spirit, they are not so much “higher” or “better” but they can be more experienced in terms off timelines. I have a picture that is more like, a large spirit manifests into many smaller manifestations, incarnate or not, to experience more.

I think that even our higher selves, which could have thousands of incarnation - just on Earth - and many more as other formats of spirits and on other planets, are themselves manifestations of a larger being.

But that’s me and my meditations, I tend to look at things detached from the idea of being one human personality on Earth as if that was all there is. I did too many past life “regressions” and found to many non-humans and animals on Earth and other planets to see myself as just this one human now.

I don’t actually believe this is possible, because if we have a higher self (also called an oversoul) that we are a manifestation of, when we remember being that higher self, and all the other selves, and there is SO much more to us, we also realize the whole gestalt being has a say, not just the one personality out of thousands. We also remember incarnation has nothing to do with the random entities we worship.

I actually have revised my concept of reincarnation, which is not that we are one person redoing anything - we are all just that one aspect of self, unique and … I think it’s not directly repeated. We - the actual we not the human we - curate a subset of our energy to invest in an incarnation, and each incarnation gets it’s own design. It’s not random. I guess it could repeat the effort for a different environment, but I no longer see reincarnation like a chain of incarnations of the same person. It’s more like a hub with spokes and we can all remember each other as all being our “past” lives.

So the RHP thing is really very egocentric. That is because it’s assuming this personality is paramount and alone when it is not, it’s part of a bigger organized being that is not beholden to any Earth “god” - though lots of it’s incarnations probably do worship something if they want to in whatever timeline they incarnated into.
And I think that, if that base assumption (small me is all there is) is wrong, nothing else about “ego death and joining with source” makes sense with that in question.

I think what we actually do, and this is based on my own travels and verified (for me) by the writings of several shamanic adepts including Robert Munroe, Robert Moss, The taoists, Gurdjieff, that what the religious will often do, is spend time in an astral location we think is some religion’s afterlife, because we get what we expect, and after we get bored of that we’ll go on with the spiritual journey as a whole being.

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