My experience invoking Lucifer again and succeeded? Many questions

Spirits, Evocation & Possession
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For months

I have a hard time trusting oneself. I am very skeptical. I recall invoking Lucifer at one point and wanted to improve my psychic abilities but I feel that he said I already had them but I kept asking the same question only to land the same answer that nothing can be done with my request because I already have them.

Months Later

After some time of having an unsuccessful summoning with Lucifer, I believe I have had success this time.

I did not take anything at all. I was completely sober and I had a long day’s work and was able to go in my SUV and summon where I have all the privacy and space I need.

The sequence / sensations I felt were:

  • Tingles from my right side
  • Wrapping sensation on spine
  • Stomach lift
  • Heart beat fast

When this took place, my questions written on paper felt meaningless. All my questions boiled down to one thing and I wanted to live authentically. It took only 5 minutes for this and I did not hear words like other practitioners. I was stuck on what to ask. I felt. I only felt what made sense after I stopped clinging onto the questions I had prepared for this invocation. My heart beat eventually slowed down and I felt calm. I then started talking to myself as to what felt clear to me in my own language. I was not possessed.

After a few days of having de ja vu, I decided I wanted to summon Lucifer again and ask about offerings as I never got a clear answer as to what he would have wanted in return. And I was wondering if it would be too soon to work with another deity. It has been 3 days thus far. When I tried invoking again, I felt attuned to it but then it faded as something in me resisted. Not sure what that resistance was. But I was not able to hear again.

Aftermath:

I have sudden major interests and disinterests. For example, I am now able to enjoy the little things in life and before I was working so hard at my job and now that feels pointless so I know my job wasn’t as meaningful to me as I thought it were.

Questions

How often should I invoke the deity I am working with? Will it interfere with the process?

I cannot hear or see spirits unless I am on psychedelics. Though, I can absolutely feel shifts. Must I need to learn to hear spirits to be able to communicate?

Are offerings always required? I did not feel any need for offerings but I wanted to summon to ask - however I did not feel him when summoning him just to ask that.

I realized all the questions written down prior to invoking were so meaningless and probably something I didn’t truly want or need. My true questions came in when I came into the ritual with questions unprepared. Anyone else experience similar?

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Overall, psychically I am someone who feels more than I can understand structure or hear exact words - but I can hear voices and hums. I read that most practitioners hear can hear and understand the exact words their deity says but in my case, I don’t.

As I am writing this, it feels pathetic to even ask for confirmation on a forum as I can imagine Lucifer saying “really?” I did feel like it was Lucifer - but I want to make sure this isn’t just my higher self. I also want to make sure I can understand where to take things going forward.

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It is also frustrating because I read this forum about this and can dive for books but I feel that my experience is just different.

(My gut says it’s Lucifer but I keep denying it…)

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The sensations look like energy moving, and all that - tingling, or pressure, heartbeat changes, feeling cold or hot are all normal. That may or may not be due to the entity as much as you entering a state of relaxation and consciousness where you’re able to move energy better, and also sense it better.

Sounds good. You were able to parse out of the noise what you really wanted and that’s always helpful.

Clairaudience is a rare skill. I rarely get any - I use mostly clairsentience aka “downloads” or empathy. I use automatic and associative writing a lot. Ask a question, write down the answer without thinking about it.
And then a lot of this info sounds like your own voice talking to yourself in your heard, if you have an inner monologue it sounds the same as that - the tell is, you get opinions and info you wouldn’t have though of yourself.

That shouldn’t be a problem. As long as you’re not too tired it should be fine. It kind of sounds like you just needed more time to rest. “Magickal fatigue” is a thing, so take care of yourself :slight_smile:

You asked for authenticity. Is there part of you that feels your job is not representing your authentic self very well, or causing you to hide or be fake somehow? If not maybe this is still just a bit of magickal fatigue and you need some time to process and re-balance.

As often as you like and maybe just be careful that you don’t burn yourself out. It might help the process, but this depends on what intention you hold when you invoke. If you do workings with conflicting goals that can cause the energies to cancel out or mix weirdly and cause unexpected effects or just ‘bad luck’.

Most people can’t, these are astral skills that take years to develop for most of us. But feeling presences is a common skill most humans have. Rely on that as it will expand into next feeling location, then size, then you start to get a knowing of shape and color and it develops on from there. You don’t see these things with your physical senses, but your astral ones. It’s more like remembering what it looks like right now… but at the same time you don’t see it with your eyes.
Later on the subconscious can learn to fire the neurons in your visual cortex for you to communicate (as well as other senses), but teaching it to do that tales time, learning remote viewing helps with this.

Nope. They are NEVER required. Do them if it make you feel good. There’s so many posts asking this I won’t bore you repeating them, you can search on it and see other people’s ideas.

Me, not so much, but I do find the answers to the first come so fast, the questions are already answered in the download. I don’t get language, you get an influx of information that encompasses an experience of multiple senses, scenes, memories and emotions. Like I just remembered watching a video but it all comes in a second, and then I spend the next half hour trying to write it all down. Which is the boring bit but I’ll forget it like a dream if I don’t. This is partly why we write grimoires.

In 5 years on this forum I have not seen that borne out at all. This is the specific skill called clairaudience and very few people have it. People having it naturally usually call themselves “mediums” and those guys have no training, don’t know about parasites and get let p the garden path with indiscriminate belief in whatever they talk to being inherently helpful, which sadly isn’t entirely safe and sensible. Spirit hygiene is helpful for everyone imo.

Point is, don’t feel like you’re not a mage for not seeing anything, that’s pretty normal. You’re doing good just paying attention to the sense of presence. Some can’t feel that either.

Well… some people use the model that all of it and the entire universe is jusr them in their own mind. It’s a valid school of thought. My yardstick is whether it’s a helpful approach. For me, it isn’t, so I do view most entities for grimoiric work as external.
It’s VERY possible many of the things I talk to are version of me. But that’s ok. At this point on my path, they can pretend to be something else, and I can find that out later. Either way they are beneficial and have my highest good at heart, and that’s the main thing.

Maybe just write that down for now, and let it be unknown. Carry on as if he’s a separate entity, get your results, and you can come back to this later when you have more data to review.

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Thank you Mulberry. This was insightful.

I will keep training further. As for my job, yeah - there were moments at work that triggered me to be inauthentic but I did ask help for shadow work and lately things have been smooth. I am more aware of my social anxiety than usual.

I accept that I may not know if the pathworking is active but I will keep taking notes and pay close attention. There were moments I believe I felt my deity present.

But as for now, the best thing I can do is to keep studying and training my abilities and go deeper.

Much appreciated.

I apologize if I may be repeating questions that were already in this forum, but I thought it was worth asking considering my context may be different. As a magician myself, I’m still battling self-doubt.

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Everybody does. That’s why we write tutorials to help others with what we struggled with, and we collected the tutorials to make them all easier to find in this massive megathread of megathreads here: