Higher self isnt seperate from Lower Self. The Daemonic is just the lower self. It has a slightly different expression but shares the same. I know this by living it =)
This is a prime example of why gnosis canât be taught to those who havenât experienced it. Iâm not saying theyâre separate. Iâm saying thereâs a process that integrates and combines the two. Your spirit is something entirely different from that voice in your noggin. Itâs the immaterial aspect of the self. Itâs word is âThe Wordâ. And you can only h̶e̶a̶r̶ this when both your ascended self and shadow self are on the same page. Also the unity between the two isnât something inherently given to you. Itâs a state of mind that takes time and practice to achieve. In many ways itâs much more than that though. Itâs either youâve experienced this or not. And thatâs where Iâm going to leave this.
Yes CJ thatt is correct however i have the peoole who do seem to lose everything are those who do not deal with their own illusions. I try my best to deal with mine but as you have said it does not make kundalini any less dangerous. I have seen people post on our page how they experienced blood lust, vampyric urges, and loss of relationships. I only experienced a streak of depression. Gowtevee i knew it was my life path as i wormed through the project then the intro course. You are right it is not for everyone, but the power you obtain is beyond any comprehension many people have. And you are right about learning meditation and chakra balancing it may be needed. Also in draconian tradition we do not banish energies after working but allow ourselves to attune to them naturally. It all takes getting used to. We use blood on sigils for nearly everything. And yes gnosis is well received by those who are adept. I know my personal experience with gnosis has been a great one. So yes consider the damage before it is done. Also the Qliphoth is the reverse side of the tree of Life thatt can be also entered through Daath which serves as a central point of transferrence from one to the other, however i never worked with the tree of life so you can just work the Qliphoth. It is also call the tree of Death. Not separate from one another just aspects of the same tree. The Qliphoth is dark and those without proper guidance can get fucked up pretty hard that is why they have you do an 11 week intro course to attune yourself to it and the draconian gods. It is a bit rough to start but it is worth every step and you bevome eventually used to the energies. And we use the term Daemon to explain the connection of the higher self and lower self almost the same concept as the Holy Guardian angel. So Biosynth and CJ you are both correct so please agree to disagree as the term is lol
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Ok what CJ said does make sense. Understanding terminologies and concepts does help those who havent been there. Alot of people must go through an experiential restructuring process. Deprogramming and Reprogramming so that they cam experience that seemless synthesis.
Exactly my friend. Its mlre common for adept practitioners to seek out the path of the Dragon more so than novices, however there are some who have a natural alignment with the current. They cannot deny the call. I am one of those people who do. Its basically being informed that helps. I had reservations at first but i did it it just felt right anyone considering a path i tell them to go on their instincts haha you can never go wrong.
Whats interesting is it can sometimes be like The Matrix where certain individuals dont want you to get on that pathâŠsomething about it scares them. Bah! Damn christian thinking. Lol
Lol i got you. Yea they dont deter youin the temple but Asenath does warn several times that once tgis door is open it can never be closed so it does take some thinking. Took me a week I know. But for the right people its one of the most direct paths to ascent. And yea some people get the white lighter evil vision for things thst are dangerous or different.
Thanks for clearing things up awalter. Also, I hope you find what youâre looking for on the Draconian path.
I just wanted to say sometimes loosing everything is part of dispelling the illusion. Itâs pretty often that people on the LHP take a bullheaded approach towards life and itâs this mindset that prevents you from real growth.
Sometimes we find ourselves as slaves to the world we created. We put up with shitty jobs and shitty people because we donât want to loose the things we worked really hard for. In reality if you take a more detached view youâll see that the roles have reversed and itâs these things that ended up owning you. If you can see this then itâs safe to say I was never free.
Anyways, itâs been stated by many people that black magicians fear death. And if you or anyone find themselves in the situation I described then you still have to work through Death. Stipulations donât exist here.
Itâs not like, âif I still have this then I can experience deathâ. Once everything dies youâre free to do anything. Iâm free and I donât need anyone to tell me this because I found that all I ever needed was me.
Life can be harsh but in all of itâs cruelty it can make people the most noble. Sometimes itâs fine to loose and embrace her cruelty.
One thing that most of these groups donât teach is when you really find your bliss thatâs all youâll ever need.
Hey no problem CJ. I am not really looking for something as i am interested in a godly ascent and yes power too. But also self mastery in many ways. Its a process you adjust to that can make positive changes. But yea i saw where you were coming from and you are right, some people take the lets rush in approach which is a bad idea. Also some people think you can slide by without doing any work which is bullshit. Many people have a bad idea when it comes to a manifestation of a demon, and an even worse one when they think these paths are solely to just get what you want. And yea some of it is however the way you get what you want is through working on your skills and expanding your conciousness. Also i find it kind of pointless to fear death in a way, bc if you do you will never enjoy life. But yea you got a good head on your shoulders too and so does Biosynth.
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Youâve both got a good head on your shoulders too. Sometimes communication on here can be a bitch because weâre talking about stuff thatâs outside of the 3rd dimension. But yeah, I get you.
And itâs cool that you brought up some of the risks involved in one of your prior posts. It took a while for me to work through some of the more negative things. But hey itâs all fun and games when you get past it.
Weâre all on the path of no resistance here. So, hell yeah. Keep it up man. I see that youâre really accomplishing a lot with it. Iâm happy for you. Maybe weâll bump into each other sometime. The world is a small place.
Haha man yea thatd be great and thanks. And yea i always try to deal with my stuff inwardly first and it seems to help but i have been looking for this niche for a while. Id be an arrogant fool to admit that i didnt have years of prior training before this. Its just a matter of being ready really. If yoi ever need anything brother you need only ask. I always try to help out whoever i can here.
Do you feel that the work with the fallen angels or entities like Hecate prevent you from working with angels of the dayside? Some people say that in order to work with a class of entities you have to become aquainted with them, to be somewhat like them. So, if we work with more teluric forces like in TOAF would it not prevent us from working with the dayside? Some say that if you become Baal Shem (Master of the Name) you also become Baal Theli (master of the dragon), but that people who work with the dark side and become masters of the dragon, donât become masters of the Name. People say a lot of things:-) But I would like to know about personal experiences here, not theory. Do people in TOAF work with daimons and angels alike? Also, whats meant by âascensionâ here?
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E.A. has videos talking about this and his answer is that there is nothing stopping you in working with both.
E.A. also said that certain spirits are only willing to go so far with you if you are taking a path that is contradictory to what that spirit is doing in your life or has in store for you.
I still wouldnât call some entities at the same time in ritual though until I knew they were cool with each other in the same space at the same time 
J.S. Garret works with some of the watchers like Shemyaza, Raphiel(Archangel), Belial(demonic king), Astarte(goddess) animal spirits, spirits from the kingdom of planes book, and Iâm sure much more that I donât know about.
He has never talked about any of them forbidding nor limiting his practice when working with other entities.
However, if you have a pact with a certain entity, or if you are path-working thru a particular system, the spirits that you are working with may discourage you from working with other spirits outside of them for the purposes of focusing your energies to the task at hand for the time being in my own experience.