[quote=“Lady Eva, post:37, topic:5279”]To get back to basics though, people who kill children and commit atrocities and war crimes live long, happy, healthy lives, so I hope you can see why I reject the notion that some loving parents who simply commit the “sin” against trust in some kind of oversight entity by worrying, are then duly rewarded with their kids dying.
It doesn’t fit logic, observation, or any kind of compassionate template.[/quote]
Everything are just experiences. Maybe those souls have decided to have such an experience. Its a bad experience but its still an experience. As they know they exist forever they can choose to have such an experience. These are the extremes. Why do you think we are here on earth for? They can choose to change this experience and deep inside they know that.
This child maybe wanted to get its karma washed free or just out of love so no other soul has to go through that. Because another soul decided to have this killing experience. Maybe this guy who stabbed was just their ‘Ass-Angel’ and helped her to get the experience she decided to have when comming here.
But either way - everything that happens must have been thought before (probably on a subtile lvl we have almost always filtered out). And given energy to it - else it couldnt happen. Im very much certain of that.
[quote=“Lady Eva, post:37, topic:5279”]Yeah. I guessed that.
Try figuring it when someone you loves dies in agony and you KNOW no-one in your life did anything to deserve that.
I have a lot of friends/acquaintances who have come from backgrounds other than middle-class, relatively crime free, and have witnessed this - and they know they didn’t think any “wrongful thoughtas” to bring “Job’s burden” on their loved ones.[/quote]
They decided themselves to do that from my point of view. On a deep subtile lvl they did.
The easy way to go by a death of a loved one is to not hate that fact but love that where they are now there it is so much better for them. Its not the end, i guess you agree on that.
We have been trained to be sad if one dies, there are cultures who party the death. Like i said before EVERYTHING that gets to the public is a lie. Its a thing thats generally held to be true. But nothing is ‘like that and not different’. The painly death is nothing other than another experience. Where they go then there exist no death and no end. Its a good experience from this point of view. Because they cant have it there.
To see the things as they really are we need to look at them from a neutral point of few. Entirely emotionless (while nothing thats in motion is neutral).
[quote=“Lady Eva, post:37, topic:5279”]I just described how that can be a problem further up.
We are not neutral - we were given emotion by the same creator, so to speak, as gave us pain, and wounds, and causes, and effects.
Now, which one is correct, and which must we shun? It makes no sense, with respect.[/quote]
You are the creator and it was not given to you by anyone but yourself. Pain can be shut down - look at the monks. Wounds can be shut. There is one who can stick a sword through his lungs and they are not hurt.
Every effect has a cause to it, there is nothing that happens without a cause, ie Imagination (cause) + Emotions (effect) = experience.
If the victim wouldnt have thought of it and would love life and, on the very subtile lvl, wants to live longer it can. Im not as far as to clearly think on the most subtile levels but im aiming for that. I also guess this is part of becoming Clairvoyant.
Id fall into a trap if i just blindly believe you without questioning it.
[quote=“Lady Eva, post:37, topic:5279”]That’s for sure. 
Maybe read the Kybalion, explore this stuff in a bit more depth, through a lens of compassion, and your own flaws?[/quote]
No, im done with just reading books to get a overview of something others thought to be true. I know there are countless systems that work (because everything you believe in works). But i want to find my very own system. If i need specific info that help me in this explicit stage of my growing then i will look this up to come further faster. But im not just going into something that includes enormous info based on a path people before me went. Waste of resources for me 
Again from my point of view its not a trap. Also i see you contradict yourself in this one sentence. You say they manifested an illness, and then u say its a trap (from 'new agers') that they did it themselves? How does this fit?
[quote="Lady Eva, post:37, topic:5279"][i]Blame.[/i] That's what I faulted there.
People can manifest say asbestosis from working with asbestos, but if they, and indeed no-one, knew that was a problem, then they’re not to blame - they deserve support and help.
People can manifest a housefire by not getting their electrical wiring checked when they bought a house, but do we stand back, call off the fire-fighters, and point and laugh as they die screaming?
Of course not - that’s insane.
Blame, especially thrown by the smug and righteous, is the most toxic RHP effluence, and that’s what I was faulting.[/quote]
I say they cant manifest asbestosis if they put no energy and believe in it that they can be affected by this. If they know (without a slight doubt, which always comes from outside) they are safe from it it will be like that.
Same with the electric wire.
Indeed i see blame exactly like u say but you see it the opposit way it looks to me, as you always trying to make others (or other things) accountable for what ever happens to the victim. How can you say the Law of attraction exist and then deny its rules?
If the victim would be full of love to everything those bad energys (i.e. the stabber) wouldnt be attracted to the victim. Infact from my point of view circumstances would line up to keep the victim away from such things. And the stabber would be led to someone who seeks this experience on a deep lvl. Sure no physical thinker wants to conciously go through that, thats obvious. But what about the undying soul?
Well you dont get what i am saying. Im not saying everytime something happens to a child the parents are accountable for it. I can have countless reasons. The child has his own thoughts and feelings obviously to make things happen. But some situations, the ones the parents give energy on by imagining bad things (like the child getting stabbed or whatever) and then providing the emotion fear to it. Loading the imagination with energy.
[quote=“Lady Eva, post:37, topic:5279”]So the child and or/their parents are to blame if a child gets stabbed? Lovely!
The poor stabby bastard who did it in the first place probably wasn’t loved enough…[/quote]
Indeed he probably wasnt, but still he just played that ‘Ass-Angel’ in my opinion. It must not even have been parents or the child itself, but someone or something burned this into the victims unconcious mind so it can be attracted by this circumstance.
We could exist with light(energy) alone.
[quote=“Lady Eva, post:37, topic:5279”]If you can live by light alone, PLEASE take that information to some famine-hit regions, seriously - don’t just talk about it online. If not, stop it, and admit you live on the deaths of plants and animals like the rest of us.
Okay listen, I’ve explored a lot of this stuff over a longish time and I don’t want to be an asshole here, so I’m going to just post this and let you maybe figure what you really wanted to say later.
But the points I made in my reply above, I don’t only stand by them, I live by them, and whatever you may feel about me, remember that you manifested me, and I’m here for your own highest good.
Peace. ;)[/quote]
I cant (yet) only live by light. But that i havent accomplished something yet doesnt mean its untrue or not possible.
What do u mean by i should stop? What should i stop? Stop trying to reach for a higher conciousness?
You should be open to higher views. I tell you it is true in my life that if you keep holding to bad thoughts you will attract bad things until u stop. It doesnt work from today to tomorrow. It takes quite some time but not as long as one would think. If you try hard it is accomplished in a few years. And it is totally worth it. You will stop suffer. Why do you think Franz Bardon urges people to do so? And what do you think if you accomplish to make everything happen the exact moment you think it? What happens with your fears and worryings towards your child goes out?! U think the sun falls onto earth and it happens. This is why it is necessary for you to only have good thoughts, other than that you would maybe destroy the entire universe accidentally. The higher beings make sure this doesnt happen. By taking away the power from you.
It is not possible. And the more i talk about it the more sure i am.
If you let such small things anger you, what is with the bigger or subtiler ones? You cant get a higher status to take care of higher tasks as you arent even able to grow above the small ones. So you would probably reincarnate on planet earth and again getting these tasks over and over until you are ready and overcome them. Learn the thing from it that you are supposed to learn.
Everything i written above i dont live but stand by and is subject to change at any time. When i have a higher view on that matter (tho it will never be wrong - it is just one point of view).
Indeed thats the way i see it. You are just here for my highest good <3 Helping me on my own path. Cheers for that 
But i am here for the same reason
so lets just leave this here and see where the life leads us… Of course someone else might be more willing to continue the debate, which i think is too much here.
But still, there is some very valuable info in their books- especially the info re the role that emotions play in attracting things into your life.