How important are simple vows in paganism? I do not do contracts because I know I can’t hold myself to the extreme obligations of them. But I did make a promise to Kalachakra to protect TVs and never be one to throw them in the trash, destroy them, or toss them to ruin, but to make sure that they are recycled properly. I finally was able to get the ones I collected in my neighborhood to where they were supposed to go and that was a big relief.
Sometimes I wonder if I have crippling OCD due to autism and object fixations. I do look after my neighborhood and have a hot foot ward in place to keep things in order, doing the mundane work with the maintenance and HOA people to keep illegal dumping at bay. Slowly making progress, but some neighbors can be sneaky. That likely can be countered by video survellance which they are working on getting in place hopefully soon. I know magick never falls out of the sky but must be coupled with mundane work for success. Feeding needy people can be a good way to send energy out because its doing charity for those who are truly in need of food.
But it doesn’t seem logical even in the realm of magick to think that simply seeing something in another persons backyard will make it come to mine. If I attack something directly without binding a clause on it, such can happen. But leaving it alone shouldn’t do anything. I don’t think promising to protect something means stealing it from a store or someone’s backyard. I know if I willingly disobey out of laziness to protect them, I can be punished with severe anxiety and even horrible days at work that I cannot handle that are unexplainable such as things going wrong. But I don’t think I’m required to trespass or steal to protect it. That would be unethical. Rather, the wards I placed on the vessels themselves should be able to do the work right? Meaning that I should leave it alone.
I don’t want to accumulate too much or bear the karma of other people’s responsibility which taking something from someone’s backyard would then place on me, even if I’m allowed to have it. Yet I feel like if I don’t go after every one of them, I will somehow be punished by the wards that I have placed on my neighborhood completely failing and everything coming back that I’ve worked so hard with to hopefully finally seal away. I say hopefully because I’m not sure if anything is permanant. I don’t have a solid mindset on things and I cant in a neighborhood where so much is constantly happening. Sometimes I even wonder if failing to go after every one that I see will result in not only them ending up in my backyard for me to deal with or face magical punishment, but that all magick will cease to work at all for me.
I think this is too extreme and illogical modes of thinking that can make magick very difficult. I know that everyone has trials and hurdles to work through too and I have to get over that. I know things are there and work to an extent as I managed to get a business shut down for throwing one in the trash, but didn’t seal it right so the TV ended up in my backyard. Or so it seems. Magick cannot be proven to anyone, not even ourselves. But we have to go with what falls into place. I’m still diligent. Sometimes I push way too hard.
I know everyone on here tends to tell me that whatever you think can come to fruition, but I think it requires actual work to bring forth. Thoughts spontaneously manifesting is new age garbage and is not in line with traditional ceremonial magick or even folk magick. But I truly want to know if there’s anyone else on here with hyperfixation that also practices.
I have OCD and fixation but I am being treated for it so I do not have bad issues with it and do practice. As far as thoughts. I dot not think that if you think hard and long enough about a certain car it will show up in your driveway. However, I do think that you can sabotage yourself by having bad thoughts about yourself and vice versa. I got into Ceremonial magic half a century ago+. But I feel that Chaos Magick and Pathworking seem to be a much better choice for myself. There is a lot of claptrap in Ceremonial Magick. Like having to pull a mandrake at midnight on a full moon with your ears plugged so that its cries do not make you go mad. A lot of the Ceremonial Magick stuff is mind games to get you into the right frame of mind to do Magick. However, things like NAP and the newer ‘easier’ Magick do work as long as you give them a chance.
Nice to know. Though with me also having antitheist vibes (not towards buddhas, towards fundamentalist deities that demand worship or threaten punishment for not being paid attention to enough) I feel like these deities are forcing me to be face to face with it because I cant stand to see it only to punish me for not doing anything about it or force me to live in so much agitation that its like a person going through complete nervous system frying. None of my signs are peaceful. They are all wrathful. The Joy of Satan forum called BS on me which led me to leave them entirely. Stay away from that. Its neither satanism nor paganism. They are nothing but n*zi BS masquerading as ancient paganism which is not what ancient paganism ever was. Plus the author has been called out for plagiarism.
The cult group “Joy of Satan” are not remotely Pagan, they’re “Satanists” and known to harbor… unsavory beliefs. I mean it’s a edgelord religious cult so what do we really expect? They’re not bad enough to have their name banned from mention here, but we avoid discussing them on this forum as they tend to act out in a manner that provokes violations of the No Politics rule. They have a wiki page if you want to look them up, but as mentioned…
I would agree. But then I loathe and detest all cults, and religions are nothing but really big cults, so, I would say this regardless.
Oh okay, I thought you were talking that all pagans are followers of the mustache guy. I also thought that you’re talking about E.A lol. Some people try to put him in the same bandwagon as these people, even if that’s not even close to the reality.
No not at all. HP Maxine, not EA. Paganism has nothing in common with the mushtache guy and i dont know why some norse pagans follow such extremist ideology as its not right. Probably best to avoid even talking about it academically to avoid the post getting locked and to get back to the actual topic.
Sometimes i wonder if the OCD type thoughts are karmas being burnt off and that im forced to see what i promised to protect destroyed. I did not make a promise to take anything from places outside my neighborhood, just that i would protect the TVs magickally and do my part to make sure that what i can handle goes where it needs to.
I follow the no mind school of tantric buddhism from a left hand perspective more pagan than buddhist as i dont agree with strict asceticism. The mind and its thoughts appear to be an illusion of the ego. And then of course there are my autistic traits as ive been diagnosed with aspergers syndrome in the past. Every time i see a TV by a dumpster, i feel like it will end up in my backyard because im somehow responsible for them. I cant handle it all. And the thoughts of that happening dont seem to stop even if i try to pay no attention to them.
It always seems like i have to be in a constant state of agitation and distress for good things to remain as calm states of mind or elated states always end up with me finding something i dont want to like a TV by a dumpster or in it. I know this sounds stupid. The thoughts are illogical even from a magic perspective.
Im beginning to think that you cannot magickally control the behaviors of others even if its a specific action you want to stop or change. They wil continue to do it and make you watch it and deal with it. The atheist magicians say magick is placebo and you can change the behaviors of others. I feel like all the work ive invested to keep my neighborhood safe is wasted because of what they say even though i continue with avid daily practice feeding the wards ive established.
They’re not bad enough to have their name banned from mention here, but we avoid discussing them on this forum as they tend to act out in a manner that provokes violations of the No Politics rule. They have a wiki page if you want to look them up, but as mentioned…