Very true but I’m always amazed by how quickly people affirm opinions as if they were facts!
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And I don’t know that I much blame them. Happens all over the place, even in the Gatekeeper series or Wiccan books or…take your pick. It’s part of the process and I try hard to preface when something is my opinion or based on experience, because of this, but it’s not like I’m perfect (easy to see).
Based on their experience, someone on here could tell you that Belial loves Pumpernickel muffins above all others, while another offered them and they were rejected. Some people will say that Abbadon is still and Angel, while others will say he left that a lone time ago and transmuted.
We base our knowledge off of personal (UPG) and shared experiences (SPG). Things work for some and not others. It’s a bit of a mess, but reasonable analysis and healthy skepticism are fairly good traits to have, which is evident in your questioning what you read. Best you can do until you have your own experiences in that area.
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Also this guy:
Apparently he didn’t fulfill his end of the bargain so a lot of bad stuff happened.
I was so curious to dig deeper with this spirit but being an anxious person I think I’ll pass, at least for now.
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I’ve worked with Lucifuge Rofocale a couple of times in the last year. Quick results as was what we agreed to.
My end of the bargain didn’t involve years being taken from my life. As per my agreement with him I cannot discuss what the payment was however I emphatically deny there was any agreement to take years away from my life. Further there never was even a discussion relating to that.
You gotta ask yourself a couple simple questions. What’s Lucifuge Rofocale going to do with a couple years of your life? What’s that even mean? How would that be enforceable, does he know exactly how long your natural life was going to be?
None of this passes the smell test I’m afraid.
I know it’s what you read somewhere but I dont buy it. MAYBE that was the agreement of Joe Magus that brought this idea up but I’ve never heard of other magicians reporting anything similar. That doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened but like I said. I don’t buy it.
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It does not make sense to me either. As soul selling in a pact, etc. I think there is a lot of superstition there.
I wasn’t so much thinking Lucifuge would ask for your soul or a loved one in a pact, but have random bad stuff happening as a side effect.
Also, if I may ask, in your experience can he be evoked normally with a seal or does it always require a formal contract? Or can you form a relationship with him and request things as we do with Goetic spirits and others?
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Well, that does put some spin on what happened, doesn’t it?
I didn’t go to him expecting to make one. It was his idea.
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I’ve worked with him in a the traditional evocation sense that you would a Goetic spirit and we’ve made an actual contract on one particular project.
I find him to be east to access, he attends quickly when called and delivers quickly. Not that you asked but another spirit I like a great deal is Prince Mammon for about the same sorts of things I’d be asking Lucifuge Rofocale for.
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I find him to be east to access, he attends quickly when called and delivers quickly.
[/quote] I’m attracted to him because he seems into bigger projects and a kind of more spectacular wealth.
Once tried a box spell with his seal but got nothing. Maybe because I was under the impression that Mammon is a metaphor for money and not an actual spirit. Maybe just the seal is better?
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So you think it’s safe as long as you keep whatever you agreed with him?
If so I might give it a go once my memory isn’t like Swiss cheese.
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This is the seal I used for mammon and I knocked it out of the ballpark on very first project with him.
Biblically his name is synonymous with money and used as a metaphor to describe a person’s relationship to the material. Thus Jesus saying “you cannot serve God and mammon at the same time” or something to that effect.
He has been called on by magicians since the medieval period though from what I can tell. To my knowledge he’s the ruler of Pandemonium.
I realize this is somewhat off topic and I’ll get back to it now.
Yes Lucifuge Rofocale can deliver big ticket items and dreams pretty easily. I like working with him.
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Fascinating, thank you! I had Mammon on my list… I might confirm it now. I don’t think I’ve seen that seal before but I’m strangely drawn to him.
As for Lucifuge, I saw many exciting stories about him. So tempting but I really want to be sure. No point in starting with nagging fears. It will hinder the magic at best.
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Yes, I was confident that I could keep my end. It’s an ongoing thing and will be until he or I invoke the cancellation clause. I encourage those with pacts, but they have to be negotiated. I also encourage time limits where things may be negotiated again to continue.
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I love that side to him. May I ask if you experienced considerable changes/results wealth wise by working with him?
That’s the scary part. Do you think he does that to your enemies only, if required, or can it backfire on the evocator, loved ones, etc?
I would love to work with him because I am fascinated by spirits who are connected with massive wealth, opulence, ambition, worldly power, luxury etc… But I need to assure it is safe (as long as you show him respect of course).
All I can say without the risk of bragging is thanks to him I never lacked anything financially.
I read on your profile that you have 20 years of experience so you should know that with any entity this is a possibility.
But I don’t see why something like this would happen if you work correctly.
I recommend asking him directly about your doubts. On top of that, Lucifugus is a great teacher and a good provider.
My best wishes.
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It’s a developmental thing. “I made a pact, didn’t keep it, and now I’m hurting.” Guess what hero, the value of your word is super important. If you give your word and don’t keep it, get out of the kitchen. The heat isn’t for you.
Pacts reveal much about the parties involved. For example, is it wise to enter into a pact with any spirit, if you do not know your own limits? Some magician enter into pacts basically signing the dotted line without reading the fine print.
Genius, isn’t it much wiser to write your own fine print, have it proofread, and then bring it to the spirit in question? Growth here is had by treating it like a legal proceeding, not like some consumerist give-it-to-me-now mentality. Air, not water.
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I appreciate your intake but calling me “genius” is quite harsh. Manners maketh man.
You misread my intent. My question was whether Lucifuge can be mean for people who don’t fulfil their promises to him, or if he is the kind of entity to be randomly aggressive.
I haven’t worked with him except for a brief approach many years ago, and know better than to be dishonest in my dealings, let alone when it comes to a powerful spirit.
I wasn’t speaking to you
But, have you ever been mean to people who don’t keep promises to you?
And no. Social expectations have little to do with “making a man”.
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In that case my apologies. As for being mean for people who don’t fulfil promises to me… Not really, I’m no angel but I tend to give people a pass. Then again I’m not a high ranking demon in hell, either, so I can’t measure Lucifuge Rofocale rules by my own.
There is a general concept that Lucifuge is only for pacts related to finance and that in these “pacts” it is necessary to give something precious in an exchange in which the operator will always lose. I totally disagree and blame the influence of false Christian ideas that only cause fear and apprehension like the ones the OP has now.
Time and dedication are the most valuable things you can offer.
Entities have a different moral concept than ours, but they must be treated as we would like to be treated. Honor, honesty and sincerity are essential.
To the OP I can only say:
Trust your intuition, don’t make decisions just based on other people’s UPGs and don’t be afraid.
Start gently and gradually until you are familiar with the Demon. Pay attention to the signs that are sure to come.
I believe you will not be disappointed.
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