Lucifer- fallen angel or Roman deity?

I’m curious how different people see Lucifer.

From looking around and reading various posts about him, it seems to me that most folks around here see him and deal with him as a fallen Angel.

Why isn’t anyone really talking about him as the pre Christian Roman deity?

How do you see him? Roman Deity or Fallen Angel?

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Like an alien

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Hmm… can you elaborate?

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What? …Like an alien, like a Cosmic phenomenon, multi dimentional, similar to a sci- fiction movie. Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not one of those who believe that “the gods came down in flying saucers”, nope, but I feel that the word “alien” is not being limiting or fully descriptive and therefore is the one can fit what I think He is

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Ah I see. Lol. Makes sense

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Some people see him as an adversarial aspect of ones mind, not an actual deity.
Other see him as the King of Hell, the ligh-bearer…etc

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Interesting… and what is your opinion?

It depends. I came to realize that magick always works if your perspective is correct.

For example, if I’m working with a Grimoire that states that Lucifer is the King of Hell, he will be the King of Hell while I work with that grimoire to bring results that I seek in that grimoire.

Then, if I work with another Grimoire tht says that Lucifer is just an aspect of myself, he will be just that while I work with that grimoire to bring the results that I seek in that grimoire.

You can say that both perspectives and both correct and false at the same time.

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Ah aha!!! Proof that Mages LOVE their Paradoxes! @C.S can you prove the theorem this presents?

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Hahahahahahaha

True! If the truth is that I cannot prove the theorem. I just know that magick brings results

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I was hoping for the more obvious, “I am a wizard/mage/practitioner; I hate paradoxes.”

It would have been the paradox that proved the paradox; thus proof of the theorem.

Word play, only. Your answer was sufficient, if not so entertaining to me.

P.S. I mean no disrespect by any of this; if it comes across that way, I apologize.
I tend to operate on the premise: “If you don’t make yourself laugh, no one will.”

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When I asked, I got the impression that he is both.

Personally, I see him as a being. Not a fallen angel or whatever. Just a very powerful being, BUT I’ve been wondering lately if he’s an inter dimensional alien. :joy:

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Interesting insights everyone. Thank you for those so far.

I just find it interesting. The whole “fallen angel” motif is interesting to me since that comes from Christianity. For me, I see him strictly as the Roman Deity.

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Well, the first being in human history as one of his aspects according to many is Enki. So, Lucifer is a different spirit, but I also see him as the maker of humanity. A great and wise being indeed.

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Yes

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The Roman deity Lucifer was more of a title not a being if I remember correctly. I could be wrong. Anyway, the way I see Lucifer and I’m the last person you’ll see going “hurhur this demon is this god oh and let’s throw in that god for a little dazzle” but I believe Lucifer was Enki. Was being he left that behind. Just as we experience past lives or not even that and he simply decided to start new somewhere else and give up what he had. That one point he was Enki but he left and became Lucifer, I believe some followed him such as Lilith and Beezelbub/Enlil. Do I believe all the demons and goetia were once gods? No. But some Gods do give up their past to start new sometimes, even in a way they’re not longer Gods by race but by title. (I.e those who worship Lucifer as the God of the infernal Pantheon) however young it is compared to the other pantheons.

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which roman deity

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Wow… Roman Deity? :astonished::astonished::astonished: I’ve never heard of it… Very interesting theory :thinking::thinking::thinking: I may look into it… I have slways percieved him as fallen angel, but this insight is really curious…

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This blog is an interesting resource. This is just one of my sources. I personally view Lucifer as the masculine god associated with the planet Venus. This male and female gods connected to Venus isn’t new though, the Greeks had it too.

Here’s an interesting excerpt from that blog post:

Mythological Spotlight #8 Part 2 – Lucifer

JUNE 5, 2017ALEPH THE LUCIFERIAN

Constantino Corti’s depiction of Lucifer

Description

The light bringer, the representation of the morning star. In popular imagination he is typically seen as synonymous with Satan, due to his identification with the myth of the fall from Heaven. Over the years the character of Lucifer has acquired traits associated with adversarial figures because of the role of the light bringer’s concordance with other traditions and stories, and the way they interpreted the bringing of light and the ascension of the morning star. Depending on who you ask, he is either a benevolent figure, a trickster, an evil king of demons or somewhat more ambivalent; an angel, a demon or a man.

History

The name Lucifer means “light-bringer” or “morning star”, and seems to be a personification or deification of the morning star.

The earliest appearance of a morning star deity is generally found in the ancient Canaanite deity Attar (also known as Athtar or Ashtar). Attar is mainly known for a Canaanite myth wherein he attempts to take over the throne Baal (aka Hadad), the deity of storms and fertility, with the support of Asherah while he is killed by his rival Mot, the deity of death, but proves to be unworthy of the throne. He is identified with the planet Venus, much like the goddesses Ishtar and Aphrodite. In fact, it is believed by some scholars that Attar may have been a male equivalent of the goddess Athtart or Astarte, or even started out as a male form of the Babylonian goddess Ishtar. The Arabians also worshiped Attar not just as a male deity of the planet Venus, but as a weather deity responsible for rain and thunderstorms, as well as a fertility deity whose fertility is dispensed through rain thus symbolizing the power of the sky as a generative force. The Arabians may also have recognized him as a war deity. These characteristics mark him as a similar deity to Baal, and it is even suggested that Attar may have been overtaken in Ugarit and Canaan as the warrior deity of fertility and bringer of rain.

Attar may also have been associated with another deity: Chemosh; known to the Hebrew Bible as the Abomination of Moab. Chemosh may have been an important rival of the Jewish deity Yahweh (later YHWH), and at one point the two deities were pretty similar to each other. Both Yahweh and Chemosh were war deities and the deities of a specific tribe or nation (Chemosh for the Moabites, Yahweh for the Israelites), but Yahweh eventually became angrier. Chemosh was also worshiped alongside Ashtar as a syncretic deity called Ashtar-Chemosh. It is important to note that Chemosh might have been identified with the morning star through his syncretism with Attar/Ashtar, but there is little that suggests Chemosh himself is intrinsically linked with the morning star."

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As a name for the planet in its morning aspect, “Lucifer” is a proper name and is capitalized in English. In Greco-Roman civilization, it was often personified and considered a god[7] and in some versions considered a son of Aurora (the Dawn).[8]

These are just a few things. I’m not asserting that I am right and others are wrong. I just personally want to get away from ANY Christian mindset when dealing with the demons and other deities. I also don’t want my practice to be in refutation of Christianity. I just want to be altogether away from it. This is just my choice.

As I believe one of those articles points out, Lucifer is associated with Venus and so He and other deities have gotten associations with a “fall” in various cultures due to the path of Venus.

It is all very interesting. But in my dealings with him thus far…I’ve had no inclination of him being “evil” or “bad” or “satan” like the Christians preach. And since they are new…

Also I find it interesting the comparisons made to other “enlightening” deities and them being other faces.

That’s the thing with spirit…it’s an energy that can carry different names and have different myths to different cultures…but still have the same point. One of the articles I’ve read likened him to Osiris of the Egyptians…which if you know anything about him, he was in his own way an enlightening God…though not in the since of a fall so to speak.

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