I’m looking for ways to open my psychic abilities, and most particularly astral vision/astral travel and mental travel/wandering, as far as I understood, within Franz Bardon community, there are two kind of travels, one with the astral body and the other with the mental body, anyways, can’t say for myself until I exprience both.
I’m going through Franz Bardon Initiation into hermetics in an attempt to improve my psychic skills, and up until I know, I would say perhaps my senses of feeling and hearing are the sharpest ones.
I never succeded at the art of astral projection, or any kind of communication with spirits through visionary work. This post is a desperate attempt to find novel ways to accelerate my progress, I’m not going to abandon my current practices, but I’m really looking for something that can perhaps boost my progress?
I genuinely think my “astral” senses are not open at all, for instance I’ve tried VK Jehannum Qliphotic initiation ritual as an attempt to navigate the Qlippoth and perhaps unlock subconsicous blockages ? guess what, nothing happened. (I know that entering the Qlippoth is considered a very serious endeavour in the occult community but to be honest, I’ve been through some extremely hard moments in my life and allowed me to forge a very resilient character and this empowers me do this.)
Please I would like advices from people who have tangible experiences and are not parroting words or simply recommending their patron deity or spirit. I’m seeking advices from people who are experienced with astral travel/vision and know what they’re talking about.
Any suggestion is welcome, and any type of magic/spirit is welcome.
The whole point of IIH and how it trains you is to flood your body with energy over and over until it crystallizes around your astral body giving you a true soul. This can take a while for some people it might take years because not only do the energy pathways and chakras in the body have to be cleansed but they have to be fortified and condensed over time until they can generate the body able to separate from the physical shell. This is how astral projection is obtained and it means your astral body will be fully formed with all its organs and functions. Before this it is basically comatose and atrophied.
Mental perception of the astral is different but relies on similar senses and can be seen more abstract but just as useful. You have to clear your mind of everything except your absolute concentration and extend that as a sense to feel around you and let your brain interpret that data into sight, sound, sensation that your physical body will understand.
The best way to improve your senses will be to focus on condensing energy and elements into your sensory organs and corresponding parts of the brain following the natural flow of energy. So you might want to look into the microcosmic orbit and combine those teachings with the condensation taught in IIH. Become familiar with the flow of your own energy and when you want to shift your senses to the subtle realms redirect your energy into the astral body equivalent of the physical sense organs. For eyes for instance it is similar to many directions for seeing the aura with relaxing and unfocusing the vision but they leave out that is because the organ is only half functioning as the vital energy is redirected into the astral sight and that is being focused instead.
Imagine for instance you have another set of eyes inside your normal eyes and redirect your energy to those eyes and open them inside your physical eyes and look out through those instead. The goal is to move your attention away from the physical and into the astral with your body just being a meat suit around your true body. The more you focus on that while condensing and purifying your energy the faster it takes form and the faster you can use it.
The post assumes somebody who is very attuned to the energies around, the thing is I don’t yet have that sensitivity to energy, although I started Step III and would say I’m kind of okay with pore breathing, I’m still having a hard time breathing the elements into my body, I’m still experimenting with the fire elements at the moment and following suggestions of people who said to master each element before moving on to the next one. My soul mirror is in check and I suppose I’m not risking an elemental unbalance breathing only the fire element, although I feel the sometimes being extermely firy and have to keep myself in check and grounded. I had experimented with the microcosmic orbit but couldn’t feel anything unfortunately (I’m still trying to do it daily for some minutes to check). Moreover, I do some chi ball exercices and at least I can easily feel the vital energy while doing that, other than that, NADA.
I find it weird why I can’t feel vital energy yet? for the information, I’m a hatha yogi and do hatha yoga on a daily basis, I’m very flexible, eat very healthy, and follow a very rigid and discplined routine, and yet, it’s not here yet… I also some other exercises daily morning like chi sets and skeletal shaking etc… the only advantage of Hatha yoga and meditation I have is to easily concentrate or enter a state of void or even Dharana, Dhyana is very rare and depends on how much time I meditate.
I’m indeed focusing on Mental exercises in an attempt to hone my mental concentration skills and perform mental wandering.
I’ve tried everything to awaken kundalini (hatha yoga + Qi Gong), until I came to the conclusion that it will certainly rise by itself until one goes through some subconscious blockages and traumas and free some energy in the nervous system and then perhaps the kundalini energy will arise…
I think most people have awakened kundalini either accidentally or they are ripe for it (karmically), but you cannot decide that you’ll awaken kundalini this year or any time soon lol, speaking from experience and a lot of discipline/struggle to do that.
Activate your spine through vigorous movement, it will stimulate the spine for example, in fast movement, move your neck back and forth to the point you feel your entire spine, that’s a good way to remove the blockages and it will keep your spine erect for meditation which will activate kundalini
It is probably an issue that you haven’t really awakened the astral body enough to feel it. Though the way you feel it can vary it can just be warmth or heat, a tingling sensation, a conceptual feel. Also something to consider with the elements is the elements do not exist except as focused expressions of vital force. If you can master the vital force you can flip its polarity to perform as any element. Since you seem somewhat familiar with yogic methods try this, enter that state of void and focus on pulling in concept and shakti while chanting a mantra I would recommend one such as Krim just that bija is easy to feel if you build it up due to its electric nature versus Klim that is more magnetic though any Bija will work and just experiment until you find one that resonates and focus on that mantra which will arouse the vital energy along its polarity in your body. That will give you a baseline. I would warn against anything to do with Kundalini due to how dangerous it is and how misinformed modern sources are on its nature and the dangers it poses. Kundalini is basically overloading a nuclear reactor.
Other methods such as those Robert Bruce uses focuses on one body part and its energy until you can feel it such as the very last bone in your index finger then you spread that sensation. The mantra method is by far the easiest for those experienced with meditation as you are pulling on the consciousness of the energy associated with that word and it will gladly feed you its knowledge and energy. Though it might take longer sessions to really rouse that force it is unmistakable when it does rise. You can also do the same vibrating runes or the like. Also of note it is possible to mistake the flow of energy for the flow of blood through your body in its sensation if you can tune yourself in that deeply.
I do feel the energy “tinglings” particularly when i’m trying to condense the chi ball, it feels like the ball pushes against the force applied, as for the chi sets I tend to feel it a little bit too, but the Chi Ball is more apparent. Likewise when I meditate I feel lot of tinglings in my pelvic floor and little vibrations in the scrotum. However when it comes to microcosmic orbit or Kriya pranayama (Kriya yoga Lahiri Mahasaya), I can’t feel anything going up the spine etc.
How much do I have to experiment with the mantra to feel it? chanting loudly? any other tips on the mantra? and is there a reason why Kreem is the Bija mantra of Kali?
Although I agree with you that Kundalini is like firing a nuclear reactor (according to what I’ve read), would you still think it’s dangerous even for hatha practitioners where we can “assume that the physical body and nervous system are very healthy and the subtle body is cleansed”? knowing that the energy will certainly “fry” the nervous system and unlock all the repressed stuff…
You’re the second person to recommend Robert Bruce, I’ll grab his book right away, thanks brother.
Don’t bring the energy up the whole spine. Flow it only from your navel to scrotum for instance as a ball of energy within that internal channel and run it back and forth spinning and condensing the energy to break up blockages. Once you feel it firmly in that section go through another small length of the orbit such as scrotum to coccyx and then only a few vertebrae at a time until you can feel it firmly in each. Slowly perform the orbit like this in flowing back and forth motions until you complete it then extend the sections until you can smoothly flow the energy through the whole orbit uninterrupted. Each section of your spine might be too blocked and deadened to feel the energy so you need to work on each small section until it is enlivened. Same for the limbs start with say the tips of your toes and fingers and slowly one joint at a time move up the main body and back.
I would say you want to do a few hour or more long sessions and falling completely into void mind meditating on the mantra and pulling on its power and concept. Say a week to start for the chosen Bija. Krim is an expanding electric and fiery force and likewise Klim is more earthy and magnetic. They belong to Kali due to her nature of time and entropy which also embodies its opposing forces but you can utilize these sounds independent of any concept of gods. The power is in the sound itself you don’t want to chant it loudly either but vibrate it until you can feel the sound resonate through your whole body and mind. This might for some be a mere whisper and others might seem to be almost shouting it you want to find the sweet spot.
I would say Kundalini is unnatural and exists only as a mistake and grievous error. It is not suppose to be activated it means the psychic power in your body and soul is running rampant out of control. As you grow your soul more and more of the latent power stored within you will become available to use naturally this is what they mean by natural kundalini rising on its own without effort to cultivate or raise it. It is the systems of your soul coming online. Intentional kundalini is jailbreaking your system to access power you are not able to handle or can barely handle and without outside intervention can be fatal. It doesn’t just fry the nervous system it destroys the soul and mind itself turning its essence into an inferno of psychic energy. This idea of it unlocking repressed stuff is more in line with what happens when you naturally clear out the blockages and allow the energy to run freely. In this case you are not waking up kundalini but letting the energy already awake run its course properly.
Keep in mind what he teaches is not proper astral travel but more in line with mental projection. With true astral travel it is as Bardon states that the body is essentially dead in a suspended state and can be mistaken for dead with you having no awareness or connection to your body thus the need to make sure it is secure and warded. Though if you achieve that level of separation you can quickly learn how to get around these limitations and risks.
I heard this advice before and didn’t pay much attention to it, but I think now it makes more sense and should be taken into consideration, I will apply this and see if I can develop any sensitivity to the energy orbiting the focused region.
Is it just the naturay way of thing that some people simply feel the energy outside and inside their body while others do not? or would it be related to past traumas and nervous system blocking access to certain regions? or would you simply say some people have a developed subtle body or astral body (I’ve been hearing this argument a lot lately)
Alright, I would need to muster up my courage and experiment with this for two hours, I’ll report back the progress to you. Yes indeed the mantras are simply words of power and not necessarily relate to a deity, but simply to a specific type of consciousness that resonate or awake or connect with that consciousess inside?
After several failed attempts trying to awaken kundalini, I realised there is no point in doing this any longer. I understood that this latent energy is currently being used to process the current energetic traumatic repetitive false patterns and the identification with one’s own fasle story and narritive/ego and must be freed through self awareness/observation and breaking the pattern, therefore more energy will be freed within the system and the more you clear out the more will be available and hence the kundalini awakening. After all I think that all spiritual endeavors culminate in a kundalini awakening if done properly, particularly bardon’s Soul Mirror.
Is it similar to Unmani Avastha in Hatha Yoga?, one of my teachers used to enter this through a complete hatha tantric rite, he takes the kundalini shakti from the lowest adhara to the highest one through several yogasanas, pranayams, mudras, kriyas and the mantras that weave them, the entire process takes almost 45 minutes. It’s absolutely crazy what these people can do, when he does Kechari Mudra he puts me in the no-mind state as well I couldn’t believe this. This is a very different way of trying to achieve the void state and entering into bhavatita dhyanam, similar to Sunyata, Hatha yogins used the body, positioning of the limbs and the control of the breath to enter in this state.
Yes I talked to some people and told me that what people call astral projection is mental projection.
So astral projection is similar to Samadhi?
I am eternally grateful to you for providing these insights my brother.
Namaste
The Qliphoth is serious business indeed. VK’s ritual (I suspect you meant his Rites of Acharayim) is meant as an intro to the Qliphoth, opening up the connection to the nightside so to speak and some suggestions and incantations for working the spheres. It’s not the actual work just yet, or rather to fully delve into it and initiate yourself will take some additional research and designing rituals around his rites. You generally don’t go through the full Qliphothic initiation in a few rites. You take your time on each sphere and each tunnel connecting them for weeks or sometimes months (I spent 2 months working the first sphere, for instance).
For instance: I mix and match rites and meditations a bit from various sources (including V.K’s work), but I do use Asenath Mason’s rites and path workings the most and the suggestion to include an opening ritual, an invocation, an evocation and a personally designed ending ritual. In between these rites there’s a lot of meditating, pathworking and dreamworking dedicated to the sphere and the tunnel connecting to the next sphere. I also make sure I keep a mental connection to my Qliphothic work in my mundane life as well so I live and breathe Qliphotic energy in every instance of my life as long as I am initiating.
The biggest shift and result is not during your rites, although they can be powerful, it comes after in your mundane live. Stuff like you get thrusted in situations, random people tell you weird stuff that connects to your current sphere and it’s reigning god or goddess etc. I’ve had some crazy visions during my meditations and some insane dreams after.
So it’s possible there’s not a lot happening after performing just one or two of the Rites Of Acharayim. I can also imagine that because you already went to some very hard moments, the results could be a little more subtle for some aspects.
Yes exactly, that’s what I meant. I came to the conclusion that:
1- either my astral senses not trained yet and should be honed
2- I went through some serious traumas the last years which forced me to adopt a miyamoto musashi kind of lifestyle. with that said, engaging into the Qlippoth felt like a challenge worth taking, no fear whatsoever.
I decided to put more focus on energy/sensory awareness practices at the moment to hone my psychic skills
Good to hear this, I’ve got Mark Alan Smith’s grimoires and talking to him was very encouraging to try his praxis, and it just happens that I have Hecate as patron.
Qlippoth is and will remain a goal of mine, I will resume to this when I feel my psychic senses are more enhanced and allow me to really perceive what the Qlippoth has to offer, as far as I understood, Astral Vision is pre-requisite to engage into this, and unfortunately I did not develop this skill yet.
I’m persisting for the Qlippoth because I believe in rebirth through trials, tribulations and destruction, I underwent this once already and willing to do it once again, the rebirth feels so glorious.
Anyways I would love to stay in touch and share our expriences soon, I’m sure we can support each other somehow.
It is entirely possible that your astral and psychic senses will develop naturally during the initiations as well, but I think its a great idea. I am also taking some time in between to work on raising my kundalini and developing my third eye ^^. I am a little impatient though, so I do it alongside my meditations on the spheres and dreamwork.
As for the traumas, that sucks dude! But… in this instance it might have taught you how to deal with (extremely) difficult situations without spiraling into harmful behaviors and coping mechanisms. As far as I can gather, that is one of the hurdles where a lot of magicians fail. I can understand why you would be fearless in starting the initiations
I wasn’t really planning on working my way down the tree, but kinda got thrust into it through intensely working with Lucifer. I was a bit more fearful starting it, because I am not that much of an experienced occultist. Luckily I am wired in such a way that fear and curiosity are closely related on my emotional spectrum ^^.
I am very much open to keeping in touch about our experiences!
True, they may develop, I am too an impatient person but I’m learning to pace myself lately as I learned that impulsivity and impatience made me waste more time.
I’m grateful for them otherwise I wouldn’t delve into the “suffering” aspect of humanity and wouldn’t be here, instead I would remain as weak and delusional as I was. the early we deal with life adversities the better lol, particulary when it stems from wrong perceptions and social conditioning.
Yes Indeed I had too a lot of destructive coping mechanisms but was put in such a spot that I was forced to either 1- develop healthy coping mechanisms or 2- witness my slow death and decay… when you see it there is no coming back.
Glad to see other people fighting and not giving up, never put the sword down brother ! let’s stay in touch.