So I was thinking of joining the freemasons mainly wanting to get to know people of higher quality (especially in my country) but am really worried about their oath and what it all means, what consequences could happen because of this oath.
And saying I don’t even intend to break it, but could I be free from it, maybe have some protection before the initiation so that I don’t have spiritual attachments?
Also the initiation ritual raises some questions, if you know about it you probably know it’s a bit creepy judging by normal standards.
I also heard that somehow Freemasonry is directly or indirectly related to Lucifer, could anyone explain this in more detail?
One more thing, recently I had a dream about this initiation (was weirdly mixed with me being abroad and other stuff, like having gay s*x which was the first time I dreamt of such bulsh^t since I’m fully straight) where I supposedly had to sacrifice a loved one before I get initiated, eventuallyI decided to not join and escaped from there (again this was in a dream).
So I’m wondering, is this something made by my subconscious because I was in constant worry of whatever Freemasonry implies and whatever social media says about it, or maybe a sign becaue I verbally asked guidance from my higher self with signs of light if this path is for myself and if it isn’t to let it dissipate with peace - one thing I can say for sure there was no peace for now.
From the Freemasons I know, there’s nothing spiritual about it, it’s an old boys club and a networking opportunity, they teach you nothing esoteric and you’d have to learn that on your own. Probably depends on the club.
The oaths are indeed insulting and ridiculous, but not enforced. Nobody is going to take you to a beach to cut your tongue out if you talk about them after level 3.
However, an oath is a personal spiritual commitment, and for your own integrity, if you already have a conflicting oath in place, such as say, in the US, the Allegiance to the Flag, then this is an oath-breaking, traitorous thing to swear, and you must decide if this is a stain worth having on your energy.
A man cannot serve two masters. It’s a game of chance whether you’ll be asked to choose though, and usually not. So it become an issues of personal integrity.
In other countries, nobody really cares, you don’t have a constitution or oaths like this to conflict. You might have a conflict with a religion if you follow one that demands obedience. Freemasons are basically Judaism-like and at the top level use the Jewish spiritual system called Kabbalah.
Depends on the lodge but my high-falutin’ ideals aside, you’ll probably get this.
Nope that’s bullshit. You get ZERO magickal anything, ate the low levels it’s a social club, Again at higher levels it’s Kabbalistic - check out the work of Manly P Hall, (classic author, HUGE body of info) Damien Echols (youtube, self taught) . I know a 22nd degree mason - not a whiff of occultist about him, he’s a do-gooder and volunteers to help people a lot.
Depends on the rite, another freemason friend of mine did the whole get-naked-blindfolded thing for 3rd degree. Yeah it’s weird and destabilizing, on purpose, something about psychologically owning you. Some people are into that - sheep LOVE to be owned, it’s important to them and they don’t even want to be sovereign. Some just deal with it to get the benefits.
Psychological manipulation only works if you fall for it. You’re a mage: know yourself, know it and see it for what it is - mental-emotional abuse, basically - and don’t allow yourself to be bamboozled by other people’s mind games.
Watch the film 1984, there’s priceless and really overt, crude lessons on mind games and mental-emotional control that are worth learning as prep for… life, never mind joining a social club. It’s like a class in Brainwashing Basics 101.
Sounds like a “worry dream”. Your subconscious is thinking about all the worst case scenarios that you’ve heard about cults and group pressure, from prison to cartels to skinwalkers. That all exists, but I don’t think that applies at this level, and you’d be able to choose not to advance up the levels before it got [more] weird.
This is the first time I EVER heard someone actually spell this out in words, that people like to be owned like sheep. It’s a great way to describe it. The way I see it is that, the reason this is, is based on the inherent laziness in people. It’s easier and more comfortable for the mind to be lazy, not think critically, and let someone else take control of the ship.
The question is, what makes someone choose to be sovereign compared to someone who is lazy/sheep? And yea, there’s a freemason lodge near me and I ask myself sometimes if its worth checking out.
Thank you for your honest answer, it does lift off some of my worries.
And, no I don’t think I have any conflicting oaths.
About the sheep owning, it might be true, yes, I like to believe I’m not like that.
So in your opinion is it worth proceeding with this purely for the networking benefits it might give you, let’s say for potentially making considerably more money?
I attended my first dinner at a Freemason lodge as a new prospect. They essentially run charities and that is their model for profit. By law, a certain percentage of money raise for the charity is actually donated, then the larger part is kept. (for upkeep, personal profit, etc.)
That night, I was handed like four business cards from that first dinner alone. One guy was a foreign-born physician, the others were a real estate agent with his own business, an old insurance broker, tradesman. It occurred to me that this is what they mostly do, profit through charities and business networking.
The Grand Master who showed me around for a bit. He then explained that in history, the Freemasons had to operate in secrecy because they broke ground where the church didn’t. They promoted freedom of faith, equal rights for humanity, and a loosely western Kabbalist philosophy. Of course the church wasn’t having that nonsense, so they deemed them an enemy and hunted them down, calling them devil worshipers, sorcerers, etc. But now in America, (a country literally founded on Freemasonic members and philosophies) they operate openly while retaining their beliefs of fellowship.
So their initiation model is mostly remembering passages from Masonic literature to prove their membership, which is done in private. But nowadays their whole system itself is nothing secret. There is symbolism in the voting process for new members and positions, but they are not like sorcerous ceremonies. They can be seen as celebrations of their legacy and heritage.
I once too was interested in joining, mainly becuase i knew alot of them and they would ask if i was ever interested and one time i was actively recruited by a few who were from another town i worked in and thier club was low on memeberhip and i knew a guy from there also.
My main concern was also the oath part as my initiation under a guru would conflict with this and also i had the belief that oaths last more than just this lifetime and could interfere with things i was working with and on. To me oaths and your word mean alot. I declined to join after weighing this conflict and hearing about the rituals they do for intitations.
I would agree with mulberry on it being more of a social club for the guys and not much esoteric or occult stuff going on, while im not saying some clubs or members may not be involved in those things, but from my understanding and outside knowledge from the guys i know, i dont think they are involved in anything like that and no worshipping or ties to lucifer. Mostly a club for locals who get together and do stuff for the community and charities. I wouldnt discount it being good for some people who need direction and maybe a lil moral guidance and something to do in free time. They do alot of good for communties like donations, fundraisers for hospitals, vets, homeless etc so i would say they do alot of good things in the community.
It’s mostly a brotherhood they will visit you personally and meet you in different places and situations and will decide if you deserve to become “family”… more than this if you’re already into magick they will probably deny your application.
I attended my first montly stated dinner as a prospect and they never called me back. At one point I did mention my knowledge and practice of Hermetic Qabalah. I wonder if I just lacked to social skills to be appealing, or if they really just didn’t want me in their boys club.