Jesus Speaks

Alright so last night I did an evocation of Jesus. A few things you should keep in mind for this was that this was an astral evocation. The entire time I was out of my body on the astral plane so though I might talk as though many things were physically happening keep in mind this was the perspective from the astral plane and not physical dense matter. So now to the matter at hand.

After projection I focused on moving myself away from the physical plane to my astral temple and performed the LBRP there to call the elements and universal powers and began my call.

I chose to wing it and to try and avoid the common thoughtform and perception of Jesus but try to reach the truer aspect and spirit of him. You can judge for yourself if that was successful or if I just called an aspect that corresponded more to me.

The conjuration I used was as such.

“I call to the powers that be to open the way to known as Yeshua, the true essence and being of the man known as Jesus, The true form separate of the belief of the masses, Open the way.”

With this a portal opened like a tear in reality of blinding light which I entered and found myself in a burning white expanse of energy far too high for me to actually perceive anything reliably before being guided to a lower state where forms started to have definition.

He appeared first as a mass of light and form before changing and condensing into a human for shifting between various images of how he is usually represented before settling on a form that looked like a bearded Obi Wan.

He told me that this form would fit best with my own image of him and make communication easier.

I asked him what name he preferred.

“Jesus is suiting, my true name is not any in record and carries great power and so I shall keep it. I have born many names throughout my time and the life you wish to regard that name is best fitting.”

I was then chastised for focusing too hard on quantifying what was said into words where words would not do anymore for myself and to open myself completely. He then reached forward and pressed his thumbs through where my third eye would be. The experience was like an astral projection within an astral projection. I was projected across strange landscapes and dimensions.

Everything here was more conveyed in pure thought and concept and only put into words now so this is not verbatim.

I asked about the bible and the religions around him and Jesus spoke of how he wanted to protect his people and most of all share his knowledge. He wanted people to follow in his footsteps, not follow him, but mankind will take the easy way out inventing meanings and false promises where there are none.

The heart of man desires only the trappings of power while the spirit longs for freedom and something more.

“I never should have shown myself as such but no one is above the follies of pride or arrogance.”

When questioned on his magick and the common view of his connection to hermetic magick I learned there are similarities but his path is not the same even though it is often adopted into hermetics and relies on the same principles. The methodology is the same though the source and means are different. His focus was more linear of what we would call Angelic and Demonic forces though they have had many labels. You have to seize the universe and be stern. Tread Boldly where one is not welcome and take control.

“Even I walked through hell and mastered those powers same as those of heaven. I do not represent a savior, I am not a prophet, I do not choose to be those things regardless what others see. I represent the spirit of Man that which strives to be free, to be something more, a spirit by many names shared by many, even long after the last human dies the spirit will live on in new forms until at last all have been realized and again there will be more. Born young to grow old.” I see in my mind endless cycles of birth and death where even should entire worlds go extinct there will always be something else to house the growing souls and spirits.

The world beneath my feet are like flowers made of oil blooming out and igniting into hellish landscapes before dissolving burning away into wild lands and bridges of light.

He moves onto the subject of the AntiChrist before I ask intending to ask about what it means then if he does not represent what people think he does. At this he withdraws his fingers from my third eye and moves to the crown.

“They represent the very thing they hate. They become the oppressor, the stagnation, if they want to be the opposite of what I choose and tried to represent and show people then they represent stagnation and worse willful ignorance to dead creeds and feuds.”

Brain dead puppets both those that say to believe in him through religion but justify only themselves and those pretending to represent a break from it through concepts of the antichrist. He sees the concept as abhorrent and wrong, a perversion of what wanted to be the same as his figure and name has become in modern religion. A fixation instead of something to aspire too.

“My god has a name but not one any would know. My god is everything I am and everything I command.” In a sense I feel the universe is his god though as it relates to him and in this concept it is bound to the person and can’t be shared beyond the concept.

There is a more but it is in matters relating more to myself and I won’t be mentioning it here. He has no intention of returning to walk among men any time soon instead he waits for them to walk with him and others that have ascended and is disappointed with human nature and how it twists everything but there are lessons people have to learn. Before I was sent back his final words as it were was:

“Remember the only truth is the truth that works.”

Overall he had a very powerful feel and an graceful elegance despite his sterner shifts in mood at times. A lot of things were not what I was expecting but other things were more along what I expected as well. Very accommodating to the needs of others perception to communicate effectively and still get the point across.

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Fascinating travels

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this makes me remember the time when he visited me in a dream. He had a mid long hair ad a beard with a white robe. However the way he use to speak with me was more tender/ caring kind but i am not sure now since stuff happened between us

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He was very nice but also stern in making a point or perhaps firm is a better word at least on the clarification of different things. He gave me some pretty good advice though in private matters dealing with a few things.

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Belial comes around with Anti-Homeless patrols as the usual riff raff are associated with Jesus and the church…a homeless Jesus is creeping around a Luxurious high-end hotel lugging a sleeping bag looking for a charge port. Belial waves “Hello Jesus!” Then moves him along as this place cannot be dirtied up with the presence of Homeless Jesus people in order to prepare the safety, luxury and comfort for a specific Belial Boy to meet a certain “Eva” Goddess of Beauty…

(Belial silences and moves Jesus along…fyi in the real world all things of poverty are associated with the Christ mentallity…do everyone a favor and banish, evict, blott out jesus christ)

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I think you are confusing the version used by people who want to perpetuate the religion from the version I was speaking too as they are quite different. There was certainly no preaching for poverty but rather taking control and making ones own fortune and freedom however one find it. This is very different from the religious mentality commonly associated with the name and part of the purpose of this evocation was to see how the real thing compared to the stereotypes out there.

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We’ll, I for one am glad that you got the information you were looking for and I’m appreciative that you shared it with us.

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I feel it is important to share some stuff like this especially when there might be strong views to the contrary. Shows a different side of things and opens the way to let others know it is ok to investigate and talk about as well. Sometimes Jesus stuff seems a bit of a taboo topic and other times just lots of common stereotypes. It is nice to explore other sides of it.

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I once had an experience with this version of Jesus many years ago. Everything you stated was very similar to what he had said then. It was clear that the true being was very different from the egregore the religion perpetuated.

I had also watched a channelling of Lucifer somewhere, where he was saying that the true Jesus came from Lucifer. Need to find that video.

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“Even I walked through hell and mastered those powers same as those of heaven. I do not represent a savior, I am not a prophet, I do not choose to be those things regardless what others see. I represent the spirit of Man that which strives to be free, to be something more, a spirit by many names shared by many, even long after the last human dies the spirit will live on in new forms until at last all have been realized and again there will be more. Born young to grow old.” I see in my mind endless cycles of birth and death where even should entire worlds go extinct there will always be something else to house the growing souls and spirits."

Your travel brings up many interesting points, and for me, some concerns (perhaps more questions than any real problems). I started this reply by quoting part of your quotation. If Yeshua represents the spirit of Man, as one striving to free himself (I use this pronoun because you do, as I wouldn’t consign gender here), would this being relegate himself to mentioning an antichrist without provocation? I bring this up because it seems that this being is a being unable to transcend the dualistic nature of a world where critical thinking sees the weakness of such dichotomies. Mentioning heaven/hell; birth/death; young/old. Even the physicality of his walking doesn’t escape the Platonic pharmakon when souls and spirits require housing.

Now, this is where my concerns become intrigue. He takes his two fingers (as above, so below) before you yourself can ask about that ultimate binary opposition, and he places those TWO fingers on your third eye. In this, he smashes these binary oppositions, these conceptions of duality, continuing to your crown,
the seat of knowledge, metaphorically crowning you.

He continues by piecing the very heart of a dualistic and binary structure of the world; it’s the oppressor that creates these oppositions, as one always has more power than the other. His god, he tells you is himself, as yours is yourself and the pursuit of knowledge: "‘My god is everything I am and everything I command.”’ “In a sense I feel the universe is his god though as it relates to him and in this concept it is bound to the person and can’t be shared beyond the concept.”

Fascinating.

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I was not looking to read this thread because of the the weird way people talk about Jesus on forum but something told me to just take a look.

I am happy I did, hopefully people could use this info hear to truly connect with Him.

Thanks @anon47923162

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Do you think he meant that his god is his godself or just a god that’s hard to comprehend?

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I think he meant himself, since he wouldn’t give his name. My god is everything I am and everything I command.”

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Well that was one of the things i had intended to ask about I just had not gotten to actively voice the thought. Likely the connection that was being made let him see that before I even intended to voice it so he just went ahead and answered it. Also keep in mind this was all mostly conveyed in pure concept and thought and this is me trying to put it all into words the best I can. I lot of what was said involved cycles. The questions I was interested in are also such that you can’t avoid dualistic nature which is how the universe tends to operate as patterns of balancing energies in my experience. Heaven and hell representing basically the forces he dealt with when having a body in his magick basically demons and angels as we may work with them.

I mostly use the pronoun because of how he appeared to me so it is easier than saying it or something. I am certain he has had many lives of both genders in his time before ascension.

The part about the spirit surviving to grow further and being reborn over and over is representative of the journey to ascend and the time it takes going through cycles and learning and growing through them in many lives. My interest was in the kind of magick he may have practiced leading up to his ascension so that is where the heaven and hell came from.

So what was discussed was certainly not conveyed as well in translation but also a lot of it related to certain context of different times in his existence leading up to where he is now. I also feel a lot was put into terms that would have meaning and be something I can connect to and understand easily. I have a very hermetics and chaos magick heavy view of the universe and so while his path did not reflect that exactly he was still putting it in terms I could understand and gain meaning from.

Sorry if there was any confusion about that but a lot of times when it is down to pure transfer of thought and information a lot is not going to work in normal languages without some stuff sounding very strange. Your insights are also quite interesting

Yeah I get the feel that is the case too. As in he has merged with the source or what it represents to him so he has become his god or his own higher self.

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Astral Projection With Wim Hof Method I wrote that up last night. What you want to do is basically the depth meditations to get as close to sleep as possible and remaining conscious if you can’t find any you like I can recommend some.

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Not confused. I just choose not to have any association to the name. I found it a bit weird hearing his name used on the forum.

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Fair enough.

I apologize if I came off as contrarian. I was writing in a stream-of-consciousness style because it seemed the best way to convey my impressions and questions, since your own journey fluidly covered concepts and mysteries, and didn’t have a concretized way.

In an attempt to more clearly word my thoughts, I’d say that his touching your third eye, and anticipating your antichrist inquiry was a rebuke of duality and almost a regretful commentary on what the world took from his own cthonic and liminal time here. He made clear that there are grey areas, or a third way (I will not connect that to the trinity), that you govern, such as the crown gives you the right to govern…

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Who do you believe the god Yahweh is in relation to Jesus? @anon47923162

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Yeah I agree there is usually a third balancing force. Like a pivot im the scales. For me the angelic and demonic are balanced by the middle ground of the elements that connect them both but others might have a different balance point for themselves which is where i think the " The only Truth is the truth that works" part comes in as meaning if it works and gets you the progress you need then it doesn’t matter if others have the same forces or paths as you.

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