I've become extremely curious about deitykin

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I’m extremely curious about incarnation of deities into civilizations specific human I’m curious if I’m an incarnation it sucks that internet doesn’t have any information about deitykin and stuff

I don’t know if there is any way to collect data and calculate which deity I reincarnated from

I’m possibly a deitykin because I could be a lot in 13 lives

I’m also in a Discord that say deity incarnation is a bit like mitosis or like a slime in Minecraft or D&D

I have nothing against meditation but I get 90% of the time absolutely nothing I already reincarnated before I know the half of my past lives and then I can start over again thanks to the veil of forgetfulness

Like I said I’m so fucking curious

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No, you’re not a deity. You have made posts on this forum going on and on about wanting fantastical power, being an incubus, being a demon, and now you think you’re some kind of deity? You’re sounding more and more like a roleplayer and fantasist instead of a real magician.

Deities don’t incarnate and anyone claiming to be one is just doing it to stroke their ego. You’re human like the rest of us. Get over it.

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Hard pill to swallow for some but the truth is, it doesn’t really matter what you are spiritually or what you think you might be, the fact of the matter is you’re in a human body and living a human life. Whoever you may be spiritually, whether that’s incarnated or something else, has no bearing or impact on your life. Someone could tell me that they’re an incarnation of Zeus but if they can’t strike me down with lightning at will then what’s the point of mentioning it? Maybe they have similar hair? Lifechanging stuff.

Respectfully, it’s better to just discard this line of thought entirely. It’s what leads to people becoming delusional, and it’s absolutely anything but practical and real magickal work. And based on what you’ve said about people on discord comparing it to minecraft and dnd, they likely fall into that category too.

People have overactive imaginations and want to feel special, that’s it. That desire to feel special has made countless supposed magickians ruin their life over stupidity. My advice is this: ignore absolutely all stories, potential alignments, coincidences and synchronicities, theories, and everything else that you receive from spirits, dreams, intuition, meditation or whatever else except if it’s related to a practical and real-world result. Whether that’s about you being a deity, the origins of spirits, or anything else. Discard it all and ignore it. Focus on practical magick and getting real results. Only once you do that for a long time, then maybe you can consider looking into other stuff (but I still think it’s pretty useless in most cases).

If we somehow decide to entertain the idea that a deity did incarnate here (if you still need convincing), then clearly they also did so to live as a human and a human life or to do something they could only do as a human. Point being, you need to recognise that all of this stuff can’t be proven at all in any way and at the end of the day, regardless of what you “may be” the only thing you can say that you are for certain is a human. Don’t try and run from that or detach yourself from your humanity. Recognise it and realise the potential you hold as a human, not as a “potential deity”.

An easy litmus test is considering how any of these people would act if you told them that there’s just a chance they may not be a deity or better yet, what do you think the lives of these potential deities are like? Do they climb Mount Olympus or do they spend their time talking online about how they’re a deity? Not to mention if someone was a deity, they wouldn’t need to tell anyone. Long rant but I’m not a fan of the mental masturbation associated with this topic.

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Since when has curiosity become an crime on here? I couldn’t find anything about it in the rules so if you know where to look for that rule I appreciate it

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Neither of us are saying it’s a crime we’re just saying it’s a fruitless endeavour and my comment was to help you save your time and mental health and give an explanation as to why I think it’s pointless.

Respectfully, that topic is something that just leads people into delusion. The people who espouse such things are often very deeply unhappy people who end up seeking a comfortable way to feel some control in their life, escape the reality of who they are, or escape the reality of their circumstances. I know it might be an interesting topic to think about, but I don’t want you to fall down that same path because in my opinion it’s seriously unhealthy.

You’re more than free to ignore us and do what you’d like, and others are more than free to have opinions on those things too.

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The number of people who come to this forum and proclaim themselves to be the physical incarnation of this god or that demon is easily in the double digits. I usually just tell them to go stand in the corner with all of the other Lucifers and Azazels and Jesuses we have. It’s just silly.

And most of them show no exceptional knowledge or skill in magick at all so there doesn’t really seem to be any real point to it. I always pose this question whenever someone claims to be some ascended being or whatever: What does it do for you here? If being an incarnated god/demon/alien/fae/djinn/anteater doesn’t improve your physical existence on this plane, then it is just an ego fantasy with nothing of substance behind it. For example, I personally have been told that I am the offspring of an Egyptian goddess and a Goetic demon, but it hasn’t affected my physical life one bit. The information is practically useless.

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Does it need to have a point other than the satisfaction of a Curiosity

Look I know most people just going too far in it. That’s just human being human I’m not wanting to know it to satisfy an ego or an sense of “oh I’m so sad I wished I was a deity” I know the results of those and they don’t contribute to a good self development

It’s just curiosity nothing more nothing less

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The thing about being an incarnation of deity to me can be described in particular with hinduism and buddhism. You can realise that “oh my god! I’m an avatar of Shiva! I’m an avatar of Vishnu!” but that doesn’t mean you’re physically them. It means you mantle their energy. This applies to all deities and their avatars. Me included. I mantle the energy of Khonshu but that doesn’t mean I am Physically Khonshu. It means that I display similarities to Khonshu and embody those similiarities; I’m childlike, I’m a protector and yes, even a gambler. However, I am also Mani. I’m also human and enjoy being human and doing human activities. I’m not here for some “divine reason” or here because Khonshu needs a mortal incarnation. I’m here because I chose to be here.

In Buddhism there’s also the idea of Bodhisattvas. People who choose to stay in the reincarnation cycle to be teachers of enlightenment. For a while on my journey, I believed that I took was a Bodhisattva and needed to teach. I believe everyone who awakens goes through this phase and then ends up feeling that it’s all for naught because people won’t listen. But that’s the thing, they too are here trying to live their own lives and not everyone is going to listen to what you have to say.

It’s like telling someone on their day off who wants to sleep in “wake up! Wake up! You’ve got important things to do!” they’re most likely gonna tell you to fuck off and let them sleep.

It’s called UPG. There’s no real way to collect data. It’s just a feeling.

No it’s not like that at all. It’s more like what I’ve said earlier. You mantle their energy and multiple people mantle the same deities sometimes. Think like in Hinduism. Shiva and Vishnu have multiple Avatars. The Avatars are them yes but they’re also uniquely themselves. Krishna is wildly different to the final avatar of Vishnu Kalki. I think there’s your other issue. Inherently theres nothing wrong with Otherkins, fictionkins, deitykins etc. The problem lies in with then telling you “it’s like D&D”. That’s roleplaying. We don’t roleplay on this forum. this is forum for sharing esoteric knowledge and magick. You don’t get that through roleplaying. You get that through experience and learning as well as practise. What magickal practises do you do?

Try guided meditation. Theres tons on YouTube. If its past lives you’re looking for, look up Past Life Regression.

I will add as one last point in regards to all of this; no one is “the chosen one”. That simply isn’t a thing in reality. the same with deity incarnations. You’re not a chosen incarnation/vessel. You’re just you and if you happen to mantle a deity than so be it.

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Maybe that’s the point. A deity chooses to incarnate to get a taste of mortality and all the human experiences that are uniquely part of the human condition or if you want to go eastern within buddhism, maybe deities too, are also addicted to maya and the cycle of suffering and the experience of being human. But then that poses an interesting question, say you do figure out you’re “X deity” does that change anything about you? Does a deity who choses to reincarnate and be human “lose” their power so to speak?

I see it more like a pond. You dip your finger into a pond and a small part of you becomes part of the pond and likewise, a small part of the pond takes itself with you.

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Nope. Because at the end of the day, you’re still a human that has to pay bills.

I would say it becomes rather subdued or even outright suppressed due to the limitations of the material realm. Whether they get it back will depend on if they choose to become a spirit again upon death.

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Absolutely, you expanded on that really well. I see it as all of us came here as humans for a certain reason and to have a human experience, and who we may or may not be doesn’t really change things. Someone might claim to be Poseidon but that won’t stop sharks from biting them.

I think it’s all just a really forceful way of unwittingly attempting archetype integration. Someone doesn’t feel comfortable being themselves, they may dislike themselves or are unhappy with themselves for some reason so then they seek a deity that represents who they want to be and has traits they want, and then they end up trying to force themselves to identify with said being. I think it just really falls flat though because it’s no longer integration at all if it’s at the cost of yourself.

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never really thought about it like that but you’re right. Otherkin, fictionkin, deitykin etc are just a modern reinterpretation of Carl Jung’s Archetypes. You don’t like being weak and want to be strong? Embody and mantle the hero archetype and how do you do that? You convince yourself you’re really “insert hero character from media here”. You want to be more loving and kind? Embody and mantle the lover archetype as “insert love deity here”

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That’s what we call modeling in nlp or self image psychology ala Maxwell Maltz’s psychocybernetics.

How this is different from what the “Lucifer incarnates” are doing is that this approach is done intentionally and with full self awareness of what they are doing and why. They’re assuming an identity so they can grow into it. They are intentionally exploiting neuroplasticity. And usually they don’t even tell people they’re doing it.

The people who think they’re incarnated gods are not doing that. It comes from a place of self deceit and delusion. Usually these folks are mentally ill. It’s an identity crutch that they expect others to validate and play along with. They are trying to feel better rather than be better.

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I actually have a friend who taught me all things magick. She never once revealed to me what she was mantling or where her “source” was until I figured my own one out. Meanwhile, I also had a friend who I have fond memories with but she was schizophrenic and was telling me why was a god. I believed her at the time and still wish her the best but now I realise it doesn’t really matter and in fact, just as you described even when I was modeling I never went about telling people “Im actually this being”. I say it on this forum because Ive grown from it but I dont claim to be the literal personification of Khonshu. Like with past lives, he’s just someone I mantle. Im still me but I’m a better version of me through modeling

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I have a different model, which I bring with me from being in the Otherkin community as “faekin” many years ago long before I found magick.

It is quite basic really and based on past life experiences.

To see it this way you have to first believe in reincarnation and transmigration of spirit between different physical incarnate forms. Then, you have to believe that “bleed though” of memory or energy from that past life into this one is possible.

So my interpretation of “being faekin” is simply that I have a past life as a particular fae, of a particular kind (a “Leshy” and I’ve posted abut it here before) that I can vaguely recall. It lends me certain attitudes and likes and dislikes that are not explained in other way (yet, idk).

Regarding “deitykin” - there were none of these back in the day as it was fully focused on physical attributes at the time. E.g., feeling like you have horns or a tail, similar to how amputees can feel they have phantom limbs.

So as a veteran of the otherkin community now, 20 years later, I think we’d all say deitykin are still roleplay. Role-players were always a huge problem for those of use trying to discuss genuine experience to understand what was happening.

I guess being a “dragon” or other astral (non-physical) being wasn’t special enough.

I could see someone recalling a past life as an energy-based being though, but I can’t see them claiming to be the incarnation of an egregore, because I don’t believe egregores are sovereign to even survive death. And I think most “gods” are egregores.

If you get the Robert Munroe book I told you about, he thinks we have thousands of lives.

I think it’s valid though to say that our own higher selves are a kind of deity. depending on your definition - the godself - and that can split into multiple incarnations, and in that case we are ALL deitykin.

As a path to recognizing our higher selves I guess it’s as good as any. As a way to feel special it’s no different than any other play on identity.

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I’ve been around the block myself. When I found magick, a few people I knew were fictionkin who said they practised magick as well. Mostly identified as ponies from My Little Pony. Even in that regard, they kind of convinced me that I was once a character from Fire Emblem called Ike and it kept sticking. I felt the same energy but god only knows if it was true or not. I think fictionkin gets a little iffy due to energy. Is it your energy you’re feeling? Is it the energy of the character you’re feeling or the energy of all the people attached to that particular character?

That’s why I separate from deitykin stuff. The right term to me would be “avatar”. You don’t exhibit the physical attributes with a phantom feeling. You exhibit the energy of that particular being. Which is why I call myself an Avatar of Khonshu.

To me, Khonshu is a past life no different to other past lives I’ve had. Past life regression and meditation provides me with you could say memories of a life I had as him. The last thing I can remember as Khonshu before choosing to reincarnate over and over again was essentially just that. I decided one day to reincarnate and be human. Not for any particular reason, there’s no “divine reason”-I just enjoy being human. Warts and all.

It’s a common allegory I use to explain to people about reincarnation when I tell them “I’m a buddhist”. Life is like a game. When you finish a game like Skyrim for instance and you’ve done all the quests, done everything you feel you could as that particular character what do you do? You start all over again and play the game another time from another perspective.

Though in my time studying reincarnation and buddhism I got curious. Insanely curious. “if we have past lives and we can do past life regression, what about finding our previous incarnation?” and so I did precisely that.

If we take the buddhist perspective and the tibetan book of the dead, we find that upon death we spend 49 days in the Bardo and we see everything that happened in our life and we can either overcome this and leave the incarnation cycle or remain stuck; the third option is that we can choose to reincarnate.

So, in doing the research and calculations and looking at the records from 49 days before I was born, I found him. What was shocking to me was that he was a norwegian explorer and discoverer of L’anse Aux Meadeaux. Coincidentally, 49 days after he died and I was born, it was norwegian constitution day.

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Just.. no. I’m sorry, no. That is NOT otherkin, it’s chaos magick at best if 'm being kind. I can’t do it :joy:

I have never heard of fictionkin and they would have been laughed off the board I was on as roleplayers diminishing the lived experience. Maybe you could call it gatekeeping but these guys took having physical symptoms - some quite deleterious - seriously and it wasn’t all ponybro fun and games and ego trips. Many of them today would be insulted at this concept and it’s honestly whey the origical guys no longer talk about it as much, the servers got infiltrated with role players just like they try to come on this forum and make up nonsense.

This is early 2000s, when gmail was still invite-only and discord didn’t exists, youtube didn’t exist, and all board where php.Furries hadn’t been invented, ponybros weren’t invented yet either. It wasn’t fake ang ghey.

It’s something that egregorically exists in the collective unconscious, aka the astral, so you can invoke it all you want. You did it to yourself.

That’s the difference - you find out about the fiction first and then associate to it, but the otherkin get the symptoms first, maybe dreams and memories, and then find the otherkin community while trying to research why.

Only if you follow the Buddhist model. I do not, so that term doesn’t entirely work for me and I don’t have all the context for it. I’d consider it a form of invocation… past LIFE means past life - in existence as a conscious being with a distinct personality of it’s own of some kind. Ultimately people have to believe what works for them on thier journey.

Khonshu is an interesting idea, as it’s a god of the moon - and the moon is right there with it’s spirit still incarnated. I believe we can have thousands of incarnations if not more, over billions of years, and those exist over all times and planets and types of beings. I’ve met (I think, at this time anyway) that I have my another human that is one of my own incarnations, so why not notice that you are also up there incarnated as the moon, or part of the moon (I have a feeling planets are a team effort)? I’m an animist, so all things have spirit in them, and there’s no invalid experience.

Maybe I’m in a lot of tea cups everywhere and that’s why I like tea, you never know. :slight_smile: I’m being slight fallacious but the point is, isn’t it interesting how it always has to be something special and ego-boosting. I’ve been swarms of bees, and herds of deer - I’ve been everything - and noone gives a shit and why should they?

It explains some things to me about myself and that’s where the value lies, I think, and is part of the tenet the know thyself.

So, this gets tricky because I believe the spirit that incarnates, is not bound by spacetime. So, what does “previous” actually mean? So, you first incarnation - on this planet - could have been tomorrow? they ca also overlap as you say you are doing with the spirit of the moon, or one of them.

I don’t think we can assume there’s a neat chronological progression that also lines up with spiritual development of the spirit. I think we all (all our selves) affect each other. What limits how is the purpose and environment.

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I agree. As for what I mean by previous incarnation and linearity, I know time is not linear. It’s more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff but that being said, we as human beings perceive time linearly. To us we can assume that a past life was literally a person who died and then came back as us soon after or in another perspective from one of my favourite short stories “The egg”, we don’t reincarnate linearly. Your next life could theoretically be someone from China during the Han dynasty or your next life could be as a priest/ess in Ancient Egypt.

That actually links into my username and my “craft name”. when I first started my path in Norse witchcraft and magick, I was already obsessed with the moon and so I looked to the old norse word for “Moon” which turned out to be Mani.

My master actually told me once before while we were meditating to look at my “source”. Where is the source of my energy from? Not necessarily the body’s energy from chakra and chi systems but the source of my spirits energy. And that’s where I ended up finding it.

Could also be atmospheric but I always notice, staring up at the moon, I see a blue aura around it.

The layer goes even deeper when you look into proto-linguistics as the Moon is where we get the term for mankind from. The proto-indoeuropean word for Moon, was in fact “Man”. So in a way, you could say we’re not Mankind, we’re “Moonkind”

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To expand on this, I’ll summarize Raven Grimassi:

Imagine the soul as molecules of water in liquid form. When mortal death occurs, imagine this as evaporation: the individual molecules forming the liquid chain destabilize and separate, forming a vapor which rises into some celestial plane. Imagine the reincarnation as the ‘condensation of the soul’: effectively, no liquid chain of water molecules is ever the same. When water condensates, it is formed of individual molecules that may or may not have been members of the original molecule, or wholely different ones. This new chain then falls (effectively, incarnation) and the cycle continues.

Just a theory, but it spoke to me when I read it years ago. Grimassi posits that great attraction/revulsion to other souls could be explained by the memory of our ‘individual molecules’ who had in common those molecules now belonging to another ‘molecular chain’, or soul. I think it was in his work, ‘A Witch’s Familiar’, but I could be mistaken.

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