Is our universe a high-end synthetic data farm?

This is a bit long but it’s a computational universe take on what ‘loosh’ could actually be. My conclusion - it’s likely novelty generation, like if you had a ton of AI’s needing really good, high quality synthetic data but rehashing too much of their content - you’d create some place with painfully arbitrary and static rules in order to make really high quality synthetic data.

I get that the AI topic is trending so it’s a goofy metaphor but what I’d be describing is any kind of computational system - biological, silica, gravitational galactic webbing, anything conducive to intelligence and agency flowing through them, with or without self-aware intelligence.

The gory details behind my reasoning (also if you’re particularly squeamish about philosophic pessimism, existentialism, or nihilism feel free to skip and take the synopsis above - gentle black pill warning):

We seem to live in a universe where consciousness seems like a brute fact rather than anything explainable. Materialists often try to say ‘mind / body problem is like saying stomach / digestion problem’ or ‘that’s wetness of water’. That suggests that people have unexamined strong emergentist leanings and if they really thought about those leanings they’d realize that no truly novel characteristic of a system can arise through complexity alone. What I mean by that - you can’t make a literal flying carpet for example by making just the right Persian rug in just the right thread count, just the right number of flanges and tassels to get your taxi cab ornament or be the coolest Lift driver ever, it’s not even properly descriptive to say it’s impossible, it’s better to say that it’s a category error.

If neurons aren’t somehow ‘magical’ (Michael Levin seems to be doing a great job at showing very self-aware biological agency seems to go down all the way to single-celled organisms) but are rather just a supped-up relay technology to make impulses travel faster, have better conducting of information with much richer information depth, that makes sense but it was a functional need from below - ie. survival under harsh Darwinian conditions - that fabricated that structure.

This is where when I look at what seems to stick in the world of magic, especially the kinds of things people like Dion Fortune would unpack, it really seems like magic is a kind of vertical information integration with a broader conscious system in the way Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash describe it in their theory ‘Conscious Realism’ or a conscious version of Stephen Wolfram’s hypergraph. Consciousness in our world is hard bound to certain nodes, the way Karl Friston describes these shells as Markov blankets.

Anyway - if you guys haven’t noticed - our culture pitches toward madness and conflict. You can look at various political theorists, you can look at well known existentialist and pessimist philosophers, you can see it in Camus and Kafka or you can read about it in Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Shestov, etc. - of which they varied from atheist to pantheist to theist so their grounding spin on the why of it is different. There are political philosophers who’d suggest that some degree of anarcho-tyranny is always happening and you only notice it when your government is trying to condition you and the culture around you in really unhelpful ways to someone else’s benefit or easier management. I think of these kinds of absurdities and frictions as the high quality synthetic data being created by hard-angled novelty driven by collision of arbitrary processes, not too harsh to have life but never lenient enough for anything to be boring. What’s frustrating about it though - lots of informationally boring redundancy, especially of truly horrific suffering, you could think of the hermit kingdom of North Korea and what it’s like to live there as a good example (my human brain tells me millions of people don’t need to eat the same crap sandwich if it’s an efficient novelty system), but this is forgetting that Darwinian evolution happens on a completely different timescale, it’s glacial and there’s rarely much to change notice within four generations so we hear about it but would never see it, just its causal echo.

I wouldn’t say I’m 100% certain of this, I’d give it maybe a 5-10% conviction but to even get it there, ie. like a plausible practical outgrowth of Conscious Realism, it seems to give a basic enough answer to ‘WTH is happening’ that can be falsified, tested, I’m sharing this because I think even if it’s not absolutely correct I think its ‘directionally’ correct and it would be interesting to hear what other people think when they look at this. What other threads I’m pulling - Jacques Vallee’s Messengers of Deception, George P Hansen’s ‘The Trickster and the Paranormal’, and I’d add that what metaphysical experiences I have had seem to better fit their kind of system.

The practical result of that - our universe, especially biological life, creates novelty at a particular pace and along very clearly defined rules of physics. What’s the value of that? Expertly conditioned data, and in a universe where there is nothing truly solid other than what mind-at-large fabricates from its own ‘mind stuff’ (it could be a really big Boltzmann brain, a natural unbounded artilect, infinite space and time is a lot of room for that to happen and I’d argue, sort of the panpsychist / pantheist / pan-functionalist version of the Nick Bostrom simulation hypothesis - incredibly likely that we live in the mind of a superorganism, especially when you have hard physics with synchronicities).

What that last part would mean? Imagine an infinite network of processing power with a limited amount of data, and so it’s recycling the same bland stuff, it gets bored. Eventually it gets to the point of budding more physical or other kinds of worlds, as experiments with consciousness to see what kinds of new data can be generated.

That feels like an incredibly cold story but… listening to stuff like Aleksandre Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago audio book or learning about stuff like Shirō Ishii’s Unit 731, Leopold II’s style of colonial extraction in the Belgian Congo, Genghis Khan and Tamerlane, the people who got stuck in Nazino Island, or ‘Cannibal Island’ gulag which got its name for a reason… yeah, that maps. It’s not about comfort, and especially not sanity. It’s about rich, high-density data.

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There’s a school of thought that all of reality is basically the universe/source/god learning about and exploring itself. Some use the word experiment. Some call it a game.

This is a relatively hostile planet, so theres a preponderance of interest and effort around survival and building comfort. I think it’s different in other parts.

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I’ve heard that as well but the only reason I’m a bit skeptical is that there seems to be a physics requirement to metabolism, to survival, and for other planets to have life that’s more neutral / less imperial in how it handles other life it would have to thread a very small needle-eye in terms of it’s history, what it had to do to survive, and what factors force it to evolve. Our form of destructive competition is based on the eukaryote setup where it’s always matching halves of the data from each parent, the evil there tends to be monopolistic competition over partners, gossip, slander, physical intimidation, mate value damage from people who are sadistically envious, etc., and if we were procaryote, ie. self-dividing like cells, then the the evil is that the creature who’d drown out all others is the creature that did nothing but eat and make copies of itself, ie. which didn’t look around and figure out what’s true (looking around and caring what’s true seems to be fatal or near fatal in either procaryote or eukaryote setup because both the physical world can’t understand it and the social world punishes first-principles thinking as not socially conforming to Darwinian pressures - Bret Weinstein’s talked about that problem often of first-principles thinking being roundly punished because… if I understand this right… it’s seen as an attempt at a non-Darwinian / non-genetic authority and that’s the only game that’s allowed to exist to that system, otherwise if it’s not superior genes and / or superior violence it’s fraud).

It could be that most species like us go extinct the moment we get enough technology (the whole metacrisis / x-risk conversation in parts of GameB), and if that’s the case maybe the remainder populations are those who were constructed by their history in such a way that they can survive technological explosions, that would just mean that a wild majority - like 99% get either to our point or a bit past it and either bomb themselves back into irrelevance or cease to exist.

My biggest skepticism though - finite beings will be unequal, if there’s any finite resource to compete over for survival that inequality tunes zero-sum competition and all it takes is some element of scarcity in that organism’s history to be internally (intraspecies) cannibalistic.

Well physics underlies the whole universe as a base to sustain everything. I think that’s by the by.
After that what spirit does with that is very variable.

Generally I think it’s a bit iffy to judge the entire universe by the Earth experience. We have no idea what it’s like elsewhere and it seems a stretch to just assume it’s all like this. That is very human though, projection is another aspect of the survival skillset - to try to anticipate threats.

Our brains are literally hardwired to take more notice of threat than anything good, and see the negative in all things first - we are the descendants of the people to survived precisely because they did that. Welcome to Earth.

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I don’t know how to get out of ‘2nd law of thermodynamics and hard-bound physical and cognitive inequality with any scares resource makes life violent, cannibalistic, and zero-sum’. Those all seem like incredibly high-odds scenarios to run into with our physics and periodic table, which likely holds across the entire universe within quite narrow tolerances.

You could be right but I’d have to understand the mechanism that would allow mostly peaceful advanced species to exist either without serious predation from other species on their planet or without individual inequality / variance, or even just differences in depth (Slate Star Codex’s Dubrovnik style art-making rats vs. foraging rats where if the foragers eat enough then all have to forage - ie. Kegan 4 and 5 get forcibly collapse down to Kegan 3 or Kegan 2 when Kegan 3 or 2 bring the gauntlet of survival mode down in his 2014 essay ‘Meditations on Moloch’). It seems like an iron clad law that stupidity and baseness are the ultimate leverage because the stupid or base person forces other people to dance to their tune at gunpoint, or get shot. A well-adjusted person doesn’t even have the proclivity or wiring for that so in that context it’s a bit like someone walking in on Anton Chigurh and he’s got a hit to put on them. What that tells me - in a world filled with 100% well-adjusted people just one skilled psychopath or sociopath could go King Kong and enslave a good portion of the species, poison the hearts and minds of anyone who has to become ‘more like’ them to survive the world they created, physicality seems to make that a deterministic outcome. They’d have no defenses thus they’d have no prayer / no hope of stopping them. Similarly if you do have defenses or aren’t naive - you’re already in a world they run, not by cosmic authority but because willingness to use violence unprovoked and even being skilled at maximizing intimidation while minimizing legal risk - it wins because we’re hard bound to the physical and the physical wins, not the spirit. If things are bad enough the spirit likely gets mutilated beyond repair for something it had zero ‘karmic’ relation to, it was more of a geographic and temporal crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I’m not a big fan of the Earth model either. This is why ascending is important imo, because I do want to get off this planet, or improve it with telekinesis. All these issues go away if you can manifest food and shelter, or just don’t need to eat and are not affected by weather. All the violence on Earth is physical survival-driven and not a little unintelligent.

I think that’s what we’re here trying to find. This is part of ascending as a planet.

It doesn’t exist yet on Earth. I would find it strange if some other of the trillions of planets hadn’t already got there. I think some of those peoples could have incarnated as humans and be trying to help teach, but it’s pretty hard when you get a mind wipe in incarnating.

We’re not there yet, and we won’t be while the majority of humans stay in survival mode.

They all do that and they end up dying alone.

You have a fixation on survival and the physical as the most important thing. You’re judging everything by this human-animal standard. This is hardwired into our brains as well, via the amygdala, but I think it’s a lie.

So I believe in the immortal spirit. I feel like I’m two beings operating as one - the spirit and the animal co-creating a human life together. The animal agrees with you. The higher being is not that interested in ‘winning’ the survival game and more than it things winning a card game is important.

If you step back and remember that a human lifetime is a blip in your overall spiritual journey and that you are going to have to leave the animal behind anyway, and everything is just more experience, and all experience is valid, they you can stop judging it so much.

Animals are a cruel thing, I don’t like it. They are wired to want to survive and never will.
I think this is what kundalini gets you - you help the animal become a sovereign spirit so that it doesn’t die, and that’s part of the point of the animal being guided by an incarnate being, effectively possessing it in order to experience physicality.
But lets face it most of us are a bit shit at that part. It’s hard to even want to try, and in 1000 people that try less than one will make it.

I don’t see it this way. This is like saying water can get mutilated. I think various layers of the incarnated being can get changed by the experience, but the judgement part that’s so extreme in humans is part of the emotional body that gets shed when you transition (die) and go do something else.

I think of a human life like an extreme sport.

I get geared up and go do risky shit for the thrills and the experience. And then it’s done and I review what happened and use the info to improve my game for the next one.

MOST experiences in the universe are incredibly boring, or maybe blissfully boring, by comparison. I have a memory of being nothing but an elemental helping to build a planet for billions of years. All I did was flow through rock as part of it’s consciousness, holding it in reality. Even now I would not go back to that, I have evolved to do more now.

I don’t actually think of myself as human at all… I am a spirit having a human experience. I don’t see Earth as the center of my universe, or even a very important part of my overall spiritual journey.

The reasons the human experience is usually shitty are myriad and not worth my energy are the reasons I won’t be doing human again after this.

I think the design is fundamentally flawed - personally; That making sentient ascendable species out of apes was a bad idea. Trillions of spirits have given it a good go and proved that, as so few of us have succeeded, but I’m going to let the ones the believe in this model take it from here.

After that, while here the best we can do is help others and make the experience as easy as possible until we can get out and go find a better day elsewhere.

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I’d agree that grinding consciousness against absolutely unforgiving and arbitrary forces tends to make us worse not better. What that engrained experience strongly suggests to those of us who only have this life as an experience - if the universe cares so little for embodied life, why would it be any more precious about disembodied life? That’s where black pill nihilism about the whole system is very difficult to escape without having some hard triangulation to something that can be found in the physical world that reliably bucks the trend regardless of the pressure, and human nervous systems while impressive under the auspices of highly self-aware people, still have the problem where enough force, enough pain, enough pressure, can make anyone crack - it’s just variable time based on inner strength. That a wicked enough person could destroy literally anyone’s mind if they’re artful enough about psychological and physical torture and prolonging it without rest or reprieve (ie. having a reason to put such dedicated work in to destroying a person) - they’ll ultimately succeed, and have a very difficult time believing that whatever was built in this life in terms of morals, values, beliefs, higher proclivities, can’t be completely and utterly erased by determined and dedicated evil.

I completely understand where you’re coming from and I thought about similar things for a long time as well. In this case a Mandelbrot set (which is very close to what you’re describing, minus the consciousness part) in and of itself is not an intelligent design. There are fine tuned physical constants, biological intelligence, causal structure in existence which all seem to lead to an intelligent being having created other intelligent designs. If it was a purely chaotic novelty generator there would be much more absurd and grotesque anomalies and glitches in our fabric of reality. Think of a “randomizer” option from a software (3D modeling, painting, music etc) and you can see they can hardly generate anything remotely that make any sense and the further you press that button the more glitchy things get. I believe there’s an ultimate intelligent creator that created existence, however it’s almost too abstract and unfathomable for any being to grasp. Since nobody knows what’s after death we can only hope it’s better than here (if it exists), and that the creator is benevolent enough for us to empathize with lesser creations. I see signs of that, so I’m hopeful about it. Even if you met a being that said they’re the ultimate being that created existence and brought miracles before your eyes, you’d never be able to know if it’s telling the truth and if it’s tricking you or not. In that case I think similar to Kierkegaard. The leap of faith bypasses that. Regardless, I don’t fear death and I can only affect and influence what I can do here, for the time being so I stopped thinking about what’s beyond life and death as it’s more peaceful this way.

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TY for that. I had the view for a while that since Source (if such a thing exists) was not created by anything remotely similar to earth or ape evolution, hence it’s degree of direct empathy for us or our empathy for it is considerably limited. Especially true if its needs from us are orthogonal to our required responsibility, custodianship / guardianship of ourselves as adults, ie. if we ever screw up or take a loss we’re less than those who didn’t, treated as much, and consequently if the universe is going out of its way to poke us into losing you’d feel obligated to fight it when failure is a strictly personal problem, always - even when houses are $500,000+ and mainland living is looking increasingly Hawaiian. If it’s interested in taking us down or throttling us - that puts us intrinsically at odds with it.

I really get the sense that anything that would give us this and physics, and genes, which reliably create exactly what we have (John Gray’s Straw Dogs, Slate Star Codex’s Meditations on Moloch, Rene Girard’s memetic desire, that bag of black licorice), is far from a theistic deity. If Source exists it seems to have to be either unconscious, have the IQ of a fruit fly, or - back to the paragraph above, it’s sentient and we’d find its goals horrifying (kind of like we’re similar to Jackson Laboratories laboratory mice in Bar Harbor, Maine and the ‘One Thing’ is doing animal testing on itself).

I don’t trust whatever this is to treat us charitably after death. I spent ten to twelve years also looking at NDE’s and they’re horrible - ie. useless messages, they lead to just a lot of hippy sentiment and IANDS get-togethers, they’re meaningfully off from each other, and it would be one thing if we could close them out with reductive materialism and just call it a brain-based phenomena but the spontaneous healings in many cases with profound NDE’s seem to suggest that it’s something quite different. My take - it’s quite different in a bad way, going back to Jacques Vallee’s ‘Messengers of Deception’ where UFO contactees received extremely pragmatic communication from the supposed ‘aliens’, the way Vallee and further George P Hansen in ‘The Trickster and the Paranormal’ seem to describe this is very much like it’s a functionalist stack or rubber-band ball of egregores on top of egregores and that this broader system spins up top-down propaganda as it tastes the temperature of culture, figures out where things are deviating from its needs, and then spits out a bit of propaganda that causes the kind of human behavior which patches the problem.

The only thing that makes sense to me is to do energy exercises, sort of along the Robert Bruce line and also learning whatever I can from Michael Levin’s work on the bioelectric template. Effectively if the ‘etheric body’ of Victorian magic weren’t exactly real the bioelectric template sounds like a very close cousin, maybe the kind of relationship that the idea of ether has to modern space-time, similar kind of structure but different makeup. The goal here isn’t to reintegrate or have a great time in Bardo, the goal is not to be owned back into a body.

One thing you said above which was interesting - I think you were suggesting that if it were a pure novelty maker we’d have much stranger things happening. That makes sense. At the same time what we’re dealing with is unrelentingly bleak, stagnant, it’s the world where John Gray would say that human moral progress is an illusion - it’s Judges of the old testament and fourth turnings either until the end of time or until we find a real, solid cultural memetic patch against ‘hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times’. It’s fair to ask whether the kind of realism we have here is best for bulk novelty, this might be a very specific flavor or vector. At the same time I realize that yes - that’s sort of avoiding falsification but the challenge with it - it’s kind of like Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson on one of their first debates where Sam Harris, when looking at the Darwinian lens, said something like ‘Well - I guess my priority should be making it to the sperm bank as many times per week or month as I can to maximally get my genes out into the next generation’ and Jordan bringing up that mosquitoes actually do that but even when humans pitch toward r-selection we don’t go as r-selected as mosquitoes, even there we’re still relatively weak K but still K. I think that’s what brutal / punishing realism, with no escape, kind of guarantees - that we’re not likely to see the kinds of fantasy flourishes and break-ins that Laslo Kraznahorkai wrote in some of his short stories in ‘And The World Moves On’. We know we don’t have Harry Potter magic because if someone was going to break reality alone it’s a mother in 1930’s Ukraine whose children are starving to death, or a gulag prisoner who was locked in a casket filled with bed bugs, Chinese citizens in the 13th century watching the Mongol hordes role in, these people would have broken reality with their wishes, their wills, their dire needs not to be destroyed both inside and out. If things are that austere I don’t think we’ll have much magical novelty. We might be able to have heirarchical communication, such as up and down egregore chain, and to manually do that seems like very fancy pond rock-skipping and you have to know the exact right angle to bank shot an intension off an egregore into either another member of that egregore or a member of an egregore that the egregore in question is a member of.

I understand. This all reminds me a bit of the works of Thomas Ligotti or the gnostic cinematic world of David Lynch (especially Twin Peaks and Mulholland Drive). The idea that reality itself or whatever made it might have a self-perpetuating structure that feeds on consciousness and keeps recycling it. Or evil being the center of it all and good is all there just to be destroyed by it and nothing more. Where it’s all a never ending Sisyphus battle of the search for meaning because it’s the one thing which everything lacks.

However even the fact that we as humans can even contemplate these ideas and long for something better maybe is not evidence of absence. It feels more like an intuition pointing toward the possibility of something better. A thought exercise says that everything that can be imagined exists somewhere in existence. Hence why the Kierkaardian leap of faith is the only option I see out as it’s beyond cold hard fact logic. Pandora’s Box says that hope is the destroyer, but faith is one step further and can be untouchable. In the end as you said if it’s an intelligent source behind it all, hard logic only says it’s one out from a cosmic horror Lovecraftian story judging by the true scope of the horror that happened and will happen here or there no matter it’s the physical realm or the astral dimensions. Well, Pascal’s Wager is another perspective but again it’s like making a pact, whereas the leap is sincere. If pure malice, absurdity and entropy were the true core of existence, I doubt we’d even have the capacity to imagine anything beyond it in the first place.

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VERY Lynchian. The challenge is people who can think outside of it or see it from above are in a genetic minority, and in that sense it’s a ‘traits beat virtues’ meaning they can’t be dragged along to see it and if they see any sign of difference or sophistocation “Hey f****t you shouldn’t be here, don’t you know God hates f**s?”, it’s more of a barking dog with a social security number than a person and you can’t move that for anything because they live on tautological circles and have zero problems with them. They’re not even properly Christian, they’re something more like grown versions of Telly from Kids where if they don’t see you living close to Darwinism you must be gay, a pedo, or something else like that (double-bind for dominance / control). My read of the logic ‘If you need to learn things other people don’t need to know - that means you know you’re not enough and had to get all kinds of fancy knowledge to make yourself enough and we can see right through it’. That means no matter how good the ideas are, Daniel Schmachtenberger and Samo Burja can come up with brilliant ideas and people will be like ‘How do I poach my neighbor for status with this?’ or ‘How do I take my competition down a notch or take a competitor’s girlfriend / boyfriend / wife / husband?’. IMHO that’s permanent.

So yeah, people nerdy enough to show up to BALG or philosophy forums, or who’d love listening to John Vervaeke or Iain McGilchrist all day where that’s like gay Hallmark NPR to most people and no one’s shouting at each other or dancing around like a high-end sales bro where the listener can be like "Wow…. what a COOL alpha guy!”, there’s nothing to land, nothing to make contact.

I hope it doesn’t sound like I’m batting all of this down for the sake of it, I’m just seeing how powerful the public immune response is to anything that would pull them off of Darwinian mooring and where I feel like I can sympathize to some extent - if they actually break that they either don’t have kids or the kids they do have either don’t have kids or they’re too dysfunctional with respect to society to go anywhere or be successful (unless you’re incredibly lucky in terms of genetics and opportunity you need to abandon / flatten yourself to conform - otherwise you need to be broke, marginally employed, and laughed at as a genunie failure for not ‘making it’ even though people sabotage you out - seemingly quite literally for being Kegan 4 (self authoring) or Kegan 5 (self-transforming) when they really see you as an inferior who has no right to be anything that they aren’t trying to forced down on you. I’m 46 and live with my parents because that immune defense has been so strong that even graduating college highest honors and being a very quick learner has not been enough, difference is death and I’m only lucky that being an autistic who masks means that I know that if I have kids they’ll have the same problems (constant sabotage, constant getting stabbed in the legs when they try to run the race, which means I’m okay with not having them because a child is someone I’d need to properly love as much as life itself and I could never condemn someone I love that much to that kind of life. I forgive my parents because they didn’t know, and my mom didn’t know that she was on the spectrum until I got diagnosed.

I think that you consider things in a more dualistic way… If God exists it should be something beyond our comprehension, but he chooses a part of it to become comprehensive, that’s why we are born and that’s why things like dark and light exist, because just by separating them that they could become distinguished. That is the point of the Tao and the pre-Tao in Chinese Taoism. The being before Yin and Yang existed was so incomprehensible that it needed to divide itself into these two polarities in order to create a Universe that it itself could describe. Actually, since you think God is a being who might have bad intentions, I think it’s cool to see him more as Lovecraft’s Azathoth, a being that encompasses all of reality, time and space, the stars, everything is a dream of it. I wouldn’t call it good nor bad, it simply is. Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh “I Am that I Am”. I wouldn’t call such being bad nor good, it’s beyond our human concept (that’s based on instinct and survival needs).

The challenge is people who can think outside of it or see it from above are in a genetic minority, and in that sense it’s a ‘traits beat virtues’ meaning they can’t be dragged along to see it and if they see any sign of difference or sophistocation “Hey f****t you shouldn’t be here, don’t you know God hates f**s?”, it’s more of a barking dog with a social security number than a person and you can’t move that for anything because they live on tautological circles and have zero problems with them. They’re not even properly Christian, they’re something more like grown versions of Telly from Kids where if they don’t see you living close to Darwinism you must be gay, a pedo, or something else like that (double-bind for dominance / control). My read of the logic ‘If you need to learn things other people don’t need to know - that means you know you’re not enough and had to get all kinds of fancy knowledge to make yourself enough and we can see right through it’. That means no matter how good the ideas are, Daniel Schmachtenberger and Samo Burja can come up with brilliant ideas and people will be like ‘How do I poach my neighbor for status with this?’ or ‘How do I take my competition down a notch or take a competitor’s girlfriend / boyfriend / wife / husband?’. IMHO that’s permanent.

Reason why Fox Mulder from The X-Files was my fav fictional character as a child and still is; He’s skeptical without being judgmental. Hes open-minded to any kind of possibility and is willing to explore every answer to questions. He thinks outside the box and approaches everything with a clear mind neutrally rather than thinking dogmatically. He doesn’t conform and he’s an outcast just like you describe here as well, both in the bureau and in society. Even his partner Scully challenges every question and method he’s coming up with. Interesting constrast that although Scully is a Catholic and Mulder was shown as a non-believer, actually his actions show otherwise. In one episode he says “God is a spectator, Scully, he reads the box scores." but yet again the poster “I want to believe” is in the top corner of his room and is not only a nod just about aliens, but also to the creator itself.

Sorry for what you’ve gone through. I wish you find peace and happinness in your life.

Yeah I think of it as likely Darwinian monism where if we’re Darwinian either everything that exists is Darwinian or anything that has the attributes that our universe does, and past that I’d make no claims other than that the characteristics of consciousness are what they do or are what they’re structured from.

TY, I think my beliefs will follow what I can actually justify, it’ll likely only change as my understanding of realities on the ground and perhaps the Platonist ‘before the ground’ as we start figuring out the intricacies of that (for example - is it identical to the amplituhedron?).

All very interesting and truly intellectual theories, but my beliefs are more akin to the idea that these misdeeds are carried out by the “global synarchy” and that the material world is a prison created by the demiurge whom they follow.

These beliefs are deeply founded on my own real life first hand experiences with the occult forces that hold power in this world.

(My great grandfather was a grand master freemason and I myself achieved the status of most excellent master before the age of twenty-one, I have also attended both skull and bones rituals as well as an odd fellows meeting before discovering the Society of the Thule, I should also mention that an alleged self described zionist death cult that admits to operating a massive international human trafficking ring with ties to Jeffrey Epstein believes me to be an incarnation of Lucifer and has been attempting to end my life {in a ritual that involves eating me alive from the genitals up while crucified upside-down} for over twenty years and have hunted down and murdered several of my children and former spouses)

Anyway I would suggest reading ‘The Black Light of Agartha’ if you were interested in scrutinizing an alternative to the “artificial reality” theory which I myself believed for years believing that the so-called reality I was experiencing was too bizarre to truly be real until I discovered this book.

Infact here is an audio reading: Black Light of AGARTHA by Sieg Grun [FULL AUDIOBOOK]

If you would like to check it out I just thought I would share because I genuinely like to pop into these kinds of conversations! :winking_face_with_tongue:/

Welp… TY for the book recommendation, say safe, don’t let ‘em use your member for bagel ring-toss.