Is it possible to make someone gay through magick?

Yes, it’s perfectly possible. To do it successfully, you’d first have to understand what is the underlying mechanism that makes someone straight or gay. Then change that.

People fail because they don’t do the information gathering before they act. Doesn’t surprise me at all.

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[quote=“Sultitan_Itan, post:8, topic:2529”]This is personality modification - you have to cut them off from their higher selves and revoke their autonomy. Alternatively, you could train an egrigore personality to install itself in their energy body and parasitize them till it replaces them. There are lots of avenues you could attack from, and lots of spirits you could work with, because you’re dealing with a combination of psychological conditioning and genetic switches.

Obviously, you should only override another individual’s autonomy and right to self-direction in a spirit of anarchic fun or outright predation.

I think personality overrides are definitely Specialist Magic, and most practitioners should probably abstain from it altogether because destroying a personality probably creates a greater danger of obsession and distraction from overall goals than most black magic out there.

The only “easy” magic I’ve heard repeated experiences of making people go “gay” for you is the apple spell from the Necronomicon, but by most accounts this tends to produce an obsessive “love slave”, so again, it’s only going to be useful to you if you’re being predatory.

IMO - there is absolutely no point in attempting to establish a respectful, intimate relationship with someone who has no clue about the physical mechanics of the sex they’re supposed to be having, with inexperience and psychological hangups there to make them even more tedious and boring for you. Either do magic to make them your bitch, or do magic to find somebody who knows what they’re doing. I personally have no patience for other people’s hangups and certainly wouldn’t want to have to deal with them when I was trying to get laid.[/quote]

You guys are thinking about this wrong. Your trying to fit a square into a round hole, if you want to make someone gay the best way I can think of is time travel magic. Send something back to influence them while still in the womb to have that predispostion. Just because you observe them seemingly being straight this doesn’t mean its nessecerily the case. After that, you just need to give them a push in the proper direction.

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And I’m telling you that the higher self will reserve the right to override any attempts you make to alter essential aspects of its chosen identity if it doesn’t like those changes.

[quote=“Marie Laveau, post:9, topic:2529”]this isnt about getting laid. this is about helping somebody realize that you are their soul mate and are destined to be with them regardless of what the physical body looks like…[/quote]You can’t be someone’s “soul mate” if you have to use coercive spells to dominate them. That is the exact opposite of the standard New Age idea. Obviously, you’re not “destined to be with them” if they don’t view you in the same way as you view them. However, the concept of soul mates does not necessarily mean you have to be lovers, or even in a relationship. All it is supposed to mean is someone who compliments yourself, whose traits are the mirror to your own. No where is it written that a “soul mate” has to be a sexual partner.

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I agree with Sultitan and defectron here. Time travel magick is actually a good idea- change their predisposition in the womb and that would make it easier for them- and by them, I mean their Higher Self- to accept the change.

But if you’re not into time travelling, Sultitan pretty much hit the nail on the head- you’d have to entirely reconstruct their personalities, and their Higher Selves will not only not accept but fight you.

Spiritually awakened humans are a pain in the ass to deal with in the first place, but Higher Selves? You better go into that fight prepared.

Do be warned: if you do manage to overcome that Higher Self and rebuild it from the ground up, the mid-life change could be catastrophic for the person in question. Instead of merely changing their outlook, you’ll send them into a madness.

DarkestKnight has a part correct: consistent coercive spells will not convince a Higher Self.

Never believe in destiny saying no, by the way. Just don’t. Destiny is a flexible substance for you to bend as a mage, it’s merely a path that all things take. You can put road blocks or holes in, or make the road nice and smooth because you’re a sorcerer and guess what? Fuck rules. I’m off topic, so let me end this post before it gets even MORE rant-y.

I wish you good luck.

-Sev

Years ago I worked with someone’s higher self to implore them to make their “everyday” self love me… they granted permission and it was all going great - until I fell for someone else. I had to end the whole thing, but the point is, their HS was in agreement once I made my case to them.

Because of that, I believe that there’s always room for negotiation with someone’s HS and I’ve heard plenty of cases of someone basically straight falling for one special person of the same sex, and I think if you, Marie Leveau, are female (which sounds silly, but I don’t want to jump to conclusions based on your log-in name & avatar) and you’re trying to get another woman to fall in love with you, we have less of a stigma about it than a straight man would about the whole thing. At least that’s true where I live, in England.

So, I think contacting their HS might be the first place to go?

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Yes i can and yes i am…and i am not dominating anyone. Aaaaand i never spoke about sex being the point of it all cuz its not.

Years ago I worked with someone’s higher self to implore them to make their “everyday” self love me… they granted permission and it was all going great - until I fell for someone else. I had to end the whole thing, but the point is, their HS was in agreement once I made my case to them.

Because of that, I believe that there’s always room for negotiation with someone’s HS and I’ve heard plenty of cases of someone basically straight falling for one special person of the same sex, and I think if you, Marie Leveau, are female (which sounds silly, but I don’t want to jump to conclusions based on your log-in name & avatar) and you’re trying to get another woman to fall in love with you, we have less of a stigma about it than a straight man would about the whole thing. At least that’s true where I live, in England.

So, I think contacting their HS might be the first place to go?[/quote]

Yes i am female, the person in question has told me i am beautiful and that we have a soul connection, i just want her to move down here and fall in love with me. I can make her happier than any man could. And she will realize that

Years ago I worked with someone’s higher self to implore them to make their “everyday” self love me… they granted permission and it was all going great - until I fell for someone else. I had to end the whole thing, but the point is, their HS was in agreement once I made my case to them.

Because of that, I believe that there’s always room for negotiation with someone’s HS and I’ve heard plenty of cases of someone basically straight falling for one special person of the same sex, and I think if you, Marie Leveau, are female (which sounds silly, but I don’t want to jump to conclusions based on your log-in name & avatar) and you’re trying to get another woman to fall in love with you, we have less of a stigma about it than a straight man would about the whole thing. At least that’s true where I live, in England.

So, I think contacting their HS might be the first place to go?[/quote]

Could you tell me how you contact her higher self? Please?

I don’t know what method/s of soul travel you use, I did a shamanic-style trance journey to the upper world of spirit with my example, intending to meet his HS and I made the case that I would love him faithfully (ahem!) and so on, and that I had a lot to bring to him because I’m basically pretty awesome.

The only warning is that HS’s don’t like to be pestered, so pick a good time when you have all your power flooding through you and ideally make just the one visit to her HS (you can check out the trance methods beforehand and maybe get some practice in) - sort of “Do it once, do it right” - this has been my experience anyway.

You could do that, and then make your case as strongly and politely as possible. It’s a start and it may do everything you need, with no risk of warping that person’s spiritual “destiny” or anything.

There’s an example shamanic journey here: [url=http://www.corpshaman.com/exercises.asp]http://www.corpshaman.com/exercises.asp[/url]

And info on the upper world here: [url=http://www.chitheshaman.com/upper-world-shaman.html]http://www.chitheshaman.com/upper-world-shaman.html[/url]

You need to either visualise a large tree in front of you once you’ve done the first part of that exercise to get to your “starting point” and then climb that tree, or fly upwards instead of descending into the ground as the first site says, and you’ll only be in the upper world once you feel yourself penetrate a kind of membrane, and then INTEND really strongly to meet with her HS - you’ll recognise them, and then you can speak to them, make your case, then descend back through the membrane, down the tree, back to your starting point.

I’m assuming since you’re here you’re familiar with the normal kinds of cautions and stuff not to go in with fear, just go in a spirit of frank curiosity and the love you feel. People learn this stuff in weekend workshops so I can’t offer you the kind of guidance you’d get there, but almost everyone can do basic journeys for themselves (doing them to heal someone else etc is where it gets complicated) and if you do any kind of occult work, you’re head and shoulders above the people I learned with who still successfully found the upper world and got useful guidance etc.

If you don’t feel any changes after a reasonable period of time with her, move on and try another method because if you repeat a journey too often because things aren’t going the way you want, you end up just muddling around in your own mind, so I’m only offering this as a first thing to try and not saying it’s superior to any other, but it is simple and ethically neutral.

Oh, and before someone says in my example the guy’s HS only agreed because it foresaw I’d move on, maybe, but still I had to do a seperate releasing thing because I’d linked our destinites, so I think as magicians we can change our destiny and that of other people… I mean, that’s kind of the point isn’t it? :wink:

Good luck.

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[quote=“Lady Eva, post:19, topic:2529”]I don’t know what method/s of soul travel you use, I did a shamanic-style trance journey to the upper world of spirit with my example, intending to meet his HS and I made the case that I would love him faithfully (ahem!) and so on, and that I had a lot to bring to him because I’m basically pretty awesome.

The only warning is that HS’s don’t like to be pestered, so pick a good time when you have all your power flooding through you and ideally make just the one visit to her HS (you can check out the trance methods beforehand and maybe get some practice in) - sort of “Do it once, do it right” - this has been my experience anyway.

You could do that, and then make your case as strongly and politely as possible. It’s a start and it may do everything you need, with no risk of warping that person’s spiritual “destiny” or anything.

There’s an example shamanic journey here: [url=http://www.corpshaman.com/exercises.asp]http://www.corpshaman.com/exercises.asp[/url]

And info on the upper world here: [url=http://www.chitheshaman.com/upper-world-shaman.html]http://www.chitheshaman.com/upper-world-shaman.html[/url]

You need to either visualise a large tree in front of you once you’ve done the first part of that exercise to get to your “starting point” and then climb that tree, or fly upwards instead of descending into the ground as the first site says, and you’ll only be in the upper world once you feel yourself penetrate a kind of membrane, and then INTEND really strongly to meet with her HS - you’ll recognise them, and then you can speak to them, make your case, then descend back through the membrane, down the tree, back to your starting point.

I’m assuming since you’re here you’re familiar with the normal kinds of cautions and stuff not to go in with fear, just go in a spirit of frank curiosity and the love you feel. People learn this stuff in weekend workshops so I can’t offer you the kind of guidance you’d get there, but almost everyone can do basic journeys for themselves (doing them to heal someone else etc is where it gets complicated) and if you do any kind of occult work, you’re head and shoulders above the people I learned with who still successfully found the upper world and got useful guidance etc.

If you don’t feel any changes after a reasonable period of time with her, move on and try another method because if you repeat a journey too often because things aren’t going the way you want, you end up just muddling around in your own mind, so I’m only offering this as a first thing to try and not saying it’s superior to any other, but it is simple and ethically neutral.

Oh, and before someone says in my example the guy’s HS only agreed because it foresaw I’d move on, maybe, but still I had to do a seperate releasing thing because I’d linked our destinites, so I think as magicians we can change our destiny and that of other people… I mean, that’s kind of the point isn’t it? :wink:

Good luck.[/quote]

Omg thank you so much!!!

Yes i can and yes i am…and i am not dominating anyone. Aaaaand i never spoke about sex being the point of it all cuz its not.[/quote]No, you’re not. I am all for coercive magick, but you really need to look at the definition of “soul mate.” You want to force this person to “love” you, against their will and their natural desires. That is NOT the act of a “soul mate,” by any definition of the term. You want to change them to fit what YOU want. And you think you’re NOT trying to dominate them? If you were truly “destined” to be together in the way you want, there would be no need for the coercive magick to forcibly change their sexual orientation. There are many forms of “love,” so they may already love you, just not in the way you are demanding them to. Why not just do a ritual to bring your “soul mate” to you? If it truly is this person, they will come of their own free will.

You asked if it was possible and I answered. With my own experiences. Then you claim I’m wrong, despite you not having any evidence to the contrary.
Good luck, but I doubt you’ll have no success. It’d be better to not be a slave to your emotions and not waste your time. Find another woman. That’s my advice born from actual experience in the matter, if you choose to not take it, be prepared to reap what you sow. Because even of you do succeed momentarily, how do you think that person will begin to react against such a coercive spell? Even if they are not aware, their nature will fight it. Even so, Good luck.

Probably the question would be more exciting, if we ask

“Is it possible to make someone women/men through magick?”

Because the term “Gay” ties the question from the human perspective.

Working with certain spheres of the Qlipphot “Lilith & Gamaliel” mostly you can reach deep into the YIN energy, which leads your Daemon to a “femenine” state and emotions.
You can be perfectly a straight man on human conciousness and be and act like them, and be a total lady in the astral realm, desire, lust and power sometimes, let you erase some boundaries.

About “soul mate” topic that arises, sexual approach to soulmate is less important than “love approach”. Sometimes people needs to say something that let other people “love them” without care of whom loves you, I found tons of people in my life, that no matter the person in front of them, they want to be loved, straight, gay, whatever. That`s not soulmate. Its self delution.

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Hmmm, I guess not being on this forum a while you can miss stuff like this.

At any rate, theoretically (and by theoretically I mean I never tried it, so I can’t personally verify it but am pretty sure it works) the delta state would be quite useful in creating such an environment. I am quite shocked that the delta state of mind is not more readily investigated by magicians, because you are basically working from the primordial seat of creation. From there you can plant seeds at the seat of a person’s personal matrix, kind of like hacking per se.

I would say that my only caution would be that if you take that route, you just make sure you are prepared for what would happen. Depending on who that is, you might be working with a part of that person that is deeply ingrained into their personal makeup, so when they do make the switch, they make that switch in a quite pronounced fashion. Also, with the ability of having working delta states, you might be able to take a route that would not involve having to hack a specific person, but zooming into a person who would fit your desires. But if you want to go with this person you like now, I would say working from the delta state on them would be my preferred route.

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Any techniques to achieve that (working from the delta state on them)? All I can think of is working them while they’re (supposedly) asleep, psionics, mind-control magick and stuff.

If you’re a strong empath, it is possible to “push” or impose thoughts/feeling into people. However, it does require an immense amount of constant concentration for those feelings to take hold. What could enhance the this ability is to tie in demonic/Satanic energies. From what I’ve heard though, a complete conversion does not occur but more of a strong nudge into an expression of bisexual tendencies.

Do keep in mind though, according to recent studies in human sexuality, most people are not completely “straight” nor completely “gay.” There is a continuous spectrum of expression. While psychologist originally defined gay and straight by sexual interactions, they’ve broken it down further to emotional intimacy, emotional attachment, emotional bonding, and so on. The cinema has also explored this issue in movies that express “bromance” as platonic love between men, or brotherly love.

In playing the devil’s advocate, perhaps in casting conversion spells or imposing feelings through empathic contact, one is simply causing latent feelings to be surfaced.

I do believe you can turn anyone gay, or at least for a short time. with a love spell you will fail because your are looking at the hole situation wrong. do not look at the love or lust thoughs are emotion turn rather to sincere curiosity. make a lost or lust spell then after turn to the one thing that wants humans to know more and more, there curiosity. make being gay look appealing, ok, fun move talk and act with confidence. sway the mind and not the heart.(mind fuck the person in making your self look appealing while the spell takes its affect)

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There was a post on here some time ago from a guy named bitterroot highlighting yoga nidra. In terms of techniques, this is probably the primary technique I can think of that gets you there, and like anything else, the more you do it, the more you get familiar with the state until you don’t have to do anything but invoke the state itself. The post itself consisted of a great deal of stuff, although I’m not sure he got to write everything about it that he wanted to.

If you look up the Bihar Yoga School publications from Satyananda, he has a book on it that is probably the most extensive how-to on it. It outlines a whole set of progressive advancements through the process, starting from a basic technique and advancing further into more in-depth ones. I got the book off Amazon for about $12. Swami Rama also talks of this and runs folks through some helpful processes for it in the book “Path of Fire and Light Vol 2”, and goes more in depth with some of those exercises in his book “Exercise Without Movement.”

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I must say i’m interested to hear your results, but this spell seems bit hazardous to me. To change the whole sexual orientation i think is a very large scale spell - since if i have got it straight people are usually born to be gay if they are, so their brain is actually different in some major way? Not sure, but being gay is not just a psychological decision that can be so easily manipulated… And if your spell were to break, for reason like you wanting to break up with that person - I bet that person would be very confused about her sexual identity after that.

But you know what you wanna do, so go figure it out how you gonna do this if you are certain.

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