Hmmm that is very curious, I agree with the above statement about the shape of the ritual having an effect on communication. It’s like this your driving in a car and your friend is driving in a car next to you in the other lane. If you rolled down your window to talk to him you’d have to speed up or slow down until you were lined up with the other car to talk to them.
This is where trance comes in, and making sure your open enough to receive, and also that you know how to recognize thoughts that aren’t yours. Most people sadly can’t recognize thier own thoughts vs that of an attached trickster spirit and it leads to problems all the time.
Hope that analogy helps my friend.
P.s. I had serious trouble in the beginning with that same problem.
Dude THE 55th spirit of the Goetia Prince Orobas is a real boss player.
He is a night spirit so make sure you evoke at night. Simple English Demonic Evocation Guide
Use this format exactly to evoke, I’ve gotten him to come to full physical appearance with this method.
Give him an offering of quaker oats, camel turkish gold cigarettes ( light one for him near his seal and declare it for him) and a glass of water.
Now IF you DO this he will come I guarantee it. WHEN he arrives offer him food water and tobacco as gifts befitting a great Prince.
Now you have two choices, you can thank him for his attendance and ask that he answers you again and give him license to depart.
OR
You can make your request or petitions to him.
I’ve read your above post and there is no doubts in mind he would help you.
I look forward to an update from you.
Your a magician right? If you fail once you don’t just quit dude. You try again until you get it right. Only way you’re going to grow past this.
And you’re welcome in advance 
Oh whatever agreement you make with him you better honestly in your heart intend to keep With him. He will gaze into you, through you and know your heart as he knows all things. If you don’t intend to deal fairly with him it may go bad for you. Other Magicians have been literally smote and killed by him for deceit. So honor your word to the great Prince.
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Very interesting. I think some time ago I searched the amount of a legion or it asked on here and for some reason the answer I found was that a the amount of a legion (In the Roman context) was that it was a uncertain amount. But I searched it again and found that as you say, in that period a Legion was 6,000. Really not sure why I thought it was not a set amount. Thanks for that!
So in that case, that would make the combined forces of all the Demons of the Goetia to be 16,362,000 (2727 Legions).
I think this was meant for @Embermane? The message was set as a reply to my post instead.
But I just want to add that it is not necessary to work with a Goetia Demon within a certain time (The day, the night etc.), many these days find it is effective to work with them without regard to anything like that. If Amon is a Night Spirit I’ve probably went against that before, and other recommendations of the old grimoires. Similarly, it is recommended to work with the 7 Olympic Spirits on the appropriate day and appropriate astrological hour, but I’ve found it’s not necessary at all as well.
And on offerings, many these days also choose to not give offerings and without any issue. So that is an option. Of course, I’m not saying that one should not give an offering or that one should not work within a certain time etc. I’m just saying it is possible to successfully work with them even without these things.
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I think I might have sent it to you wrongly. Sorry and you’re right you can summon them whenever without offerings or with it’s always up to you.
Yeah I just looked it was a wrong send. Sorry my friend I think I was still learning how the buttons here work. 
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Can you please share how can I contact him?
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Do you mean you want to know how to contact to the great Prince Orobas?
Greetings Mike_Bee,
Tell me, would it be efficient to contact Prince Orobas through Sigil Magic à la EA ? (opening his sigil and try to establish contact, communicate desire through this media)
Your testimonial about your relationship with this Prince is quite fascinating.
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Yes I think establishing communication via the sigil method is just fine. I’d expect it to be fairly easy.
Prince Orobas enjoys having open doors into our world, collaboration, networking.
This plus he’s honest and won’t allow a magician to be decieved by imposter spirits make him a very beginner friendly spirit. Heck he’s a great spirit to have no matter what stage of the game you’re in.
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Thank you for your answer !
Prince Orobas is supposed to know past, present and future. Did he grant you with the gift of clairvoyance ?
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I work with him before I give him license to depart. We’ve been working on clairaudience. Now I’m able to hear him directly.
But he tells me things about the future all the time
This is the most common way I make contact with him.
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Ok. I’m not quite fluent in directly hearing Spirits. I hope - although it is through Sigil- we will etablish a good and clear communication, with all respect due to his noble rank.
In goetic littérature, he is omniscient and has the power to make that the conjuror is recognized for his true abilities and rewarded accordingly. From your (long!) experience with this mighty Prince, could you tell if he has other powers or abilities ? For example healing, mental manipulation, help in astral projection …
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I can say he can reconcile friends and foes, obtain career advancement, find lost things.
About the only thing he doesn’t do is deal much with love.
I personally put Prince Orobas ability to see past present and future as prime among the Goetia trumping even the great King Paimon. That’s my opinion. I’ve read online that’s he’s sometimes called “the oracle of lucifer”.
He can be very protective if he genuinely likes you. He can stop enemy magick and sorceries.
He is strongly able to feel emotions similar to what we feel.
He gets very angry about dishonesty though. People trying to trick him or cheat him are in for a very rude awakening.
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https://forum.becomealivinggod.com/t/monday-mornings-with-prince-orobas/143011/8?u=mike_bee
This is a journal of my weekly meetings with Prince Orobas. Maybe this will provide you with some insights.
Another good book that has Prince Orobas special guest starring in it is " my life with the spirits" by Lon Milo Duquette.
Excellent read and it covers the darkside of Prince Orobas. ( We’ve all got one). I’ve never encountered his darkside but then I always approach him with great respect.
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Thank you my friend.
I have the book you mention.
I plan to contact this great Prince. I don’t have particular need to help to ascend in professionnal area. I am however very interested in prophecy and the ability to know things of past, present and future.
Overall, I search to etablish fluent communication with benevolent and powerful spirit. I search the company of a mighty Demon.
And I don’t have any intention to manipulate or trick such a great Prince.
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Sounds to me like the two of you will be perfect together.
I know you didn’t ask but I feel compelled to share that Prince Orobas enjoys tobacco (cigarettes), wine, oats or cereals, cedar incense, and he is very very fond of public praise and accolades.
This method of divination is centered around Prince Orobas and is HIGHLY effective.
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Thank you very much for the precious advice (offerings).
Would you have the ability to ask Orobas if he could work with me ?
No problem if you can’t or don’t want to (after all, you don’t know me at all !). It is just that I’ver read that a way to work with a Spirit is to be introduced by another Magician familiar to the Spirit.
No matter what, I thank you very much for all this precious words.
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oh wow !
That’s great. You can answer me by PM if you want.
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I wanted to touch on this idea. What you’re referring to is called an introductory rite. This practice goes back to ancient times in the mediterranean and North African regions.
When a magician calls a spirit he doesn’t know it’s a cold call. In my experience it takes longer to make a connection with the spirit. It just takes more work. That’s my experience.
But being introduced to a spirit by way of another Magician means that the spirit knows you or knows of you and the first meeting is warmed up like " oh I know you you’re a friend of Mike B".
Much easier on the Magician and probably easier on the spirit too.
I’ve participated in many introductory rituals and I find that the practice is priceless.
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