If demons are gods, earth spirits, and angels

Then what happened when they became demons? What made them go from celestial spirits to abyssal entities? Did the conquering god pervert their divinity? Did they bond with energies from some darker realm that altered them? Or is the transition from light to dark a metaphor for the transition from fame to infamy?


It may be because the “fallen angel” archetypes were given to any pagan deity just to denote them from importance or demonize them in the eyes of the public. Just one more way to stamp out the pagans by the church I believe although I could be wrong.


So, possibility 3, a metaphor.

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Where they ever actually gods though? The whole demons being gods thing in most cases is just propaganda for selling the latest occult scene. Sure some were worshiped as such but most have no such origins and were never seen as gods. None of them are really actually gods that is just a label among many others primitive apes slap onto advanced beings to try and quantify their existence and understand them or in other cases just creating something to believe in.

Half of them likely would not exist without humans having created them in the first place. Ultimately it just boils down to propaganda and story telling to what sounds good or sells an agenda whether something was once seen as a god or not if it helps sell something then people will make up anything to do so whether it is true or not.

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Contrary to the religious, demons are not gods, and, with the exception of a very small handful, have never been historically considered as such.

People will choose to bend their knee to whatever fits their fancy, but only about 5% of the 72 spirits listed in the Goetia were ever considered gods by anyone (Ba’al, for example, was a god from the Canaanite pantheon, the same place where Yahweh originated)

However, it has always been popular to demonize one’s enemies and the gods they worshipped. The pagan tribes did it when they warred against each other (contrary to the New Age whitewashing, the so-called pagan peoples did not peacefully coexist with each other. They committed genocide and would destroy the temples of the fallen tribes) and the conquering Christians did it. The same tradition is followed in modern warfare and even politics today.

It’s not until Christianity, with their tale of angels rebelling against their creator, and being cast from the heavens, do you ever get the idea of a celestial being becoming a demon.


Then by using this logic wouldn’t that fit the definition of God’s anyway? Something primitive apes slap onto advanced beings to create something to believe in?

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Nothing much. I see this as human political labeling, they are still themselves.

“Does not a rose, by any other name, still smell as sweet?” -Romeo in Romeo and Juliet by Shakespeare.

Talk to them and make your own relationship without regard to so many people so wholly unrelated to you.


On this point, the definition of “god” also changes with religion and culture.

The taoists use this work in translation for any spirit that isn’t a human ghost, including egregores and the spirits of place or objects.

I reserve the terms for what I call “deity level” beings: they must be multidimentional, transcendent, ascended above human ascended master level (there are many levels of ascension) and not confined to this planet to qualify.

That’s just my working definition, your mileage may vary. Under this definition entities like Azazel are gods, while the spirit of a local healing well, while being called a god by the incumbent culture, is not. Not in that form anyway.

At some level every entity is ultimately connected to the Tao which some say is the one and only god, but I call that source, great spirit or Tao. Gods are individuals and manifest, so they are not the Tao.

I have no real use for the term’s demon or angel and see these beings as the exact same thing.


I have my own theory as to how godhood works and what seperates a god from just a regular spirit.

The theory says that a spirit manifesting into this world is bound to the general area where it manifested, and so has limited control. This is why ghosts that haunt houses can’t go to the store. So, it needs a person or item to act as a vessel. Humans can move freely because we are spirits in physical bodies. But there are ways spirits can create links with us, or vice versa, to expand their range of movement and power.

This is where the concept of belief comes in. Some spirits have been able to convince humans to worship them. A person’s faith turns them into a transmitter for the spirit. This increases their power and abilities. So, the more people who believe in a spirit, and the stronger the faith of those people, the stronger they become and the greater their reach. This means that godhood is literally about status, and that status grants real rewards or consequences.


By the definition they tend to give to gods it would imply beings of unlimited power or at least creative potential. I hardly see any actually create something or do anything particularly advanced they are just highly skilled at simple basic tasks and combining them for an impressive show. You take the average human psychic and give them a few decades of intense training and study on their powers and they will put 95% of the so called deities and gods that people work with to shame. Ultimately most gods are just cons if they claim to be worthy of praise or worship.

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Right!!! I can totally see all sides though but I was just following the “option c” route :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Like a Christian claiming the one true God and Lilith being demonized
Lilith being a Goddess and the abrahamic being labeled as demiurge.

Just a little like politics.

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Right. Where I see Lilith as the egregoric personification of an allegorical teaching story. :woman_shrugging:

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It Mean Trancemutation.