I’ve been trying to contact King Paimon respectfully

We can do this! Keep practicing. I’m doing my best.

The King always hears, maybe he thinks you need to put more work in. Maybe you need to establish your godhood to yourself.

No one knows but you and him he doesnt like slackers (trust me on this one)

One way I proved myself to him long ago was ordering a sigil necklace of his and wearing it everywhere.

Prove to him and he will prove to you.

Ave Rex Paimon

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Interesting you say that! I just ordered his sigil necklace two days ago, you’re right I feel that too. I’ve been doing my best to prove to him that I will not slack around.

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King paimon is about all things art related (King Paimon): and about understanding oneselfs mind body and spirit if you want to know. Why we do not share mutual interest with one another…
take information this with grain of salt.

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If it’s anything for you like it was for me you are in for wild ride. Remember anything he gives to you is yours and do not give it away or freak out or anything of that nature.

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He heard all andaube it’s me but I feel like your sense is not fully awake yet if not at all continue to meditate and relax as you move along this will help he has received your request and I am sure he is waiting for you to show him you are all in

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Can you explain your comment a little more, what do you mean anything he gives to you, are you talking about signs?

Have you opened your astral senses? If no, then you should search the forum for that. It’s a really important thing to do.

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I really like this reply, ah you make a good point. I’ve noticed this with him over the years. He aided me lots with my art and when I would forget to finish them and such I could feel him upset.

But he does always listen. When you genuinely want his help, he will come and aid you. Lots of times you might not just see it at first

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Yea I agree with her (bunny4cam.) Continue to impress him and eventually he will respond.

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In my experience, and from my research, King Paimon likes it when you have put in the time for this sort of thing. What I mean is he likes it when you spend your time learning, researching, planning and crafting the ritual/evocation or whatever you’re gonna do. Your intentions also must be within the parameters of what he likes. If you are there to learn, and it is truthfully what you desire, 9 times out of 10 he’ll be there watching or he’ll speak to you.

What you say, what you do, how you do it and what your intentions are all filter into this. You must remember he is a King. Treat him with the respect you would with any person you’d consider to be your hero, treat him as you would with a living monarch. Your actions, thoughts and time spent in your efforts go a long way in terms of the response you’ll get.

does that include bowing to him?

Not always, but doing so is usually seen in a positive and respectful way. Its not something that’s required, but it is something that’d be appreciated essentially. Same thing with offerings, though its usually recommended you leave one the first time you evoke King Paimon.

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So you’re saying you didn’t receive a response ?

You don’t have to bow to him imo, all that is required is respect, but if you wish to show your respect by bowing you can, important is that your gesture is honest and genuine and not disrespectful.

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Bowing is fine if it’s honest, but He does not appreciate fake politeness or groveling. If you truly feel like bowing, do it, but don’t if it doesn’t feel right. Don’t make this unnecessarily complicated. It’s really quite simple: Be yourself, show Him that you appreciate His help and treat Him like a business partner you respect.

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Is it alright if I were to ask how much success you’ve had in making contact elsewhere? Maybe the problem is that the actual result is simply more subtle than expected, or the mind is not yet quieted enough to focus thereupon in trance. But I’m just taking a guess, and am not trying to assume anything.

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Very good point! :+1: Generally speaking: People need to be patient if they’re serious about establishing a good working relationship. The first thing is to put some effort in your own psychic development, which can be harder for some and easier for others, but everyone has to face their challenges, there are no shortcuts, and nobody gets anything handed to them (no matter how special they think they are).

Or they can try to skip the necessary steps, which will either lead to frustration for lack of results, or they’ll end up fabricating ”experiences“ and then publicly gush and boast about their super duper awesome spirit buddies/ lovers later - much to the annoyance of anyone looking to seriously learn something.

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Thanks, Lux_Tenebris. And yeah, you’re definitely right about that. In terms of needing patience, I know I had been right there with the original poster in sharing their frustrations to the point of wanting to quit more than once over the years. Learning evocation is hard. I had stumbled or dragged myself through at least hundreds of failed evocations to the point where I sickened myself from burnout, and often with however many evocations done back to back to no avail. But moreover, even these days it remains possible to project conscious expectation onto the gnosis we receive- although it becomes easier to catch;- suggesting that doubt in some form never leaves the path entirely despite mounting successes. I have to agree with you, again, and would only add that if one can’t have patience throughout, then they should arguably at least aim for “obsession”.

That said, Renemian, I can confidently tell you Paimon is incredibly helpful and approachable in my experience. Beyond bending the wills of others with ease, he can help learn to clarify the intent and strengthen the will of the practitioner, too, among other benefits. But I’ve literally had results happen within moments one time off the top of my head which I could mention- he saved my old best friend from an impending eviction- and even have an open sigil of his on my altar right now (Have you ever noticed that his sigil itself looks like a stylized fancy camel saddle with straps, decorations and all, by the way?). That said, I would wager the easiest part is to call Paimon forth: the much arguably harder thing is, again, to learn to quiet down your conscious mind as much as then trusting yourself to listen to whatever emerges without applying censorship. In saying so, it just came to me in writing this that you may benefit a lot from a simple little trick; that is to create a blob in your mind and use it as a placeholder for the spirit until it’s sensed to have arrived during your conjuration process: this much being used to help to make your intent of speaking to that spirit more objective and concrete to your conscious mind than perhaps otherwise. Do consider, however, that the actual presence and communication arising from this will be far more subtle and easily overlooked. Hope that helps. But don’t give up- you’re probably closer than you realize. :slight_smile: