I Am Done

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I just want to come back to an earlier point:

[quote=“the fool, post:56, topic:4464”]i want to operate magick in the same way that a machinist operates their machines. …machines can be brought to life. but i do want some form of precision in what i do and not to be blinded by emotional self-delusion.

… if you need emotion, what happens when you’re not emotional? magick with limits isn’t magick to me. no offense, but that’s how i see it.[/quote]

The concept underlying the Kybalion, at least, is that the universe is a vast thinking MIND and that we each are aspects of that.

The purpose of emotion is to use the strongest mental energy (compare raging emotion to being bored, indifferent, and a bit sleepy) to imprint your small mind on that larger Mind and make it comply with your will.

That’s my understanding at this stage of the purpose of emotion in magick - you’re operating on reality using your mind, and emotion is the fuel. And the tool.

It’s certainly not about feeling good, as an end in itself, like that Julie Andrews song where thinking about your favourite things is supposed to be a cure-all.

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guy that whole thing was nothing special to me. shit like that happens to me all the time. i don’t find it to be exciting or impressive at all. to me it’s more of a bother than anything. you sometimes feel like the greatest american hero in a world of supermen. google that if you’re under 30 to find out what i mean by that.

i can’t even remember. i think i was working with an angel from the greater key. cos at the time i read the keys and abramelin a lot but i didn’t want to do the abramelin rite because it reeks too much of the baptism of the holy spirit from pentecostalism, and i want nothing to do with religion.

[quote=“tijuanabe, post:59, topic:4464”]I actually used to work with Mercury to get jobs. So what happened to me once was that I did a Mercury ritual, and about 2 weeks later while sitting at home I receive a phone call from a relative who tells me they just met a billionaire owner of a famous brand. I was like “ok…and what about it?”

“This guy can give you a job, I talked to him, you fit his profile exactly”.

I ended up meeting the billionaire about 2 weeks later after being invited to his home. We talked for about an hour and then I got the job.
(Bizarre fucking situation. Btw, the way my relative met the guy was in an art gallery because both are friends with the owner of the gallery)

I had to move town and leave everything behind. It was a turbulent, truly mercurial time and it took me to a city full of trade and a large stock market (his element).

At the end of it all I can say it was a hell of a ride, I enjoyed it. It was totally unexpected. I did not make that much money, but I made EXACTLY what I asked for. I asked for double what I had when I did the ritual, and double was precisely what I got. Except that by the end of it I had spent most.

That said, if I want wealth I am only going to work with solar deities from here on. No more Mercury, I will use him for communication related things instead.[/quote]

i haven’t worked with that much of mercury tbh, but you’re right about the solar sphere.

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I agree with the fool. If magick is supposed to align circumstances in your favour, then you should get what you wanted. Otherwise what’s the point?

I recently heard an episode of Down the Rabbit Hole where Andrieh Vitimus interviewed E.A. and in the interview E.A. states his success rate with his rituals is around 80%. An 80% efficacy rate seems rather low for the amount of time and effort put in over the years. I would have thought it would be more around 90 to 95%.

If you read the stories of the famous magicians, no one seems to get to 100% efficacy. Why? The more you do something, the better you get at it, right?

Is full 100% success impossible? It shouldn’t be if these powers and forces are part of what we are.

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I don’t know man, 80% is actually extremely high when talking statistics.
To give you an example…if you knew you could win 80% of the time at the stock market, or doing lottery…you’d be rich as hell.

What are the other 20% made up of…pure and utter failure? I doubt it. I think it’s more like 10% being where the spirits kind of do things on their own terms…and the rest being 10% of scenarios where you may have to layer rituals, evoke additional entities or simply figure out that another ritual is no longer necessary and you just gotta be patient a little bit longer.

But again…to say that 80% is not high enough doesn’t do anybody justice.

Ps: In my estimation I did not even include the “experiments” EA routinely conducts. A lot of his work is pioneering…so again…last time…80% is extremely fucking high.
That said, I’m not saying that 100% success is impossible but even NASA occassionally fucks up “scientific” experiments that can be measured and calculated in every conceivable detail before a launch.

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I don’t know man, 80% is actually extremely high when talking statistics.
To give you an example…if you knew you could win 80% of the time at the stock market, or doing lottery…you’d be rich as hell.

What are the other 20% made up of…pure and utter failure? I doubt it. I think it’s more like 10% being where the spirits kind of do things on their own terms…and the rest being 10% of scenarios where you may have to layer rituals, evoke additional entities or simply figure out that another ritual is no longer necessary and you just gotta be patient a little bit longer.

But again…to say that 80% is not high enough doesn’t do anybody justice.

Ps: In my estimation I did not even include the “experiments” EA routinely conducts. A lot of his work is pioneering…so again…last time…80% is extremely fucking high.
That said, I’m not saying that 100% success is impossible but even NASA occassionally fucks up “scientific” experiments that can be measured and calculated in every conceivable detail before a launch.[/quote]Granted. You must always make allowances for human error.

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[quote=“DarkestKnight, post:65, topic:4464”][/quote]Granted. You must always make allowances for human error.
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Error is one factor but there are countless others.

For example if you conduct a baneful working against someone and you do absolutely everything right but it still does not work.

What could possibly be wrong? As an example, the target could be of a magnitude greater than yours. Maybe he’s a corporate executive and you hate him because you lost your job. But it turns out that the fact that he is running that company feeds 500+ families.

How many families do you feed vs. him? Is he doing his Will…are you doing yours?

Things like that factor into this thing…that’s why sometimes rituals even backfire. When you go up against someone who should not be fucked with in the first place, for example, then the very force you called against that person can return on you. And I guess that would be filed under the 20%.

EA Koetting vs. the Dailai Lama for example. That could be interesting.

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[quote=“tijuanabe, post:64, topic:4464”]I don’t know man, 80% is actually extremely high when talking statistics.
To give you an example…if you knew you could win 80% of the time at the stock market…you’d be rich as hell.[/quote]
a bit off-topic but this is not exactly true…

you could win 80% of the time in the stock market and still lose money.
I could win only 20% of the time in the stock market and still make money.
it all depends on much money your winners make you versus how much money your losers lose you.

a typical example is selling out of the money options… 95% of the time, you make little money (by keeping the premium)… 5% of the time, you can end up with a loser that potentially wipes you out.

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In the UK, adverts for bleach aren’t permitted under law to claim they kill ALL germs, and adverts for things like toothpaste, mouthwash etc that use a CGI model of a mouth have to show that they leave a representative small amount of bacteria, plaque, or whatever their purpose is.

This is because 100% effectiveness in any field basically doesn’t exist - you can shoot someone through the skull at point blank range, and the bullet might zing round inside their cranium, exit through their jaw, and leave them alive and sometimes, not even that badly hurt. Knife them in the heart, and you stand a small but real chance that the knife breaks, or they have their heart on the right-hand side.

Certainty doesn’t exist in scientific experiments even where every known variable is controlled for and factored out, so to expect it in magick when issues like (as Tijuanabe says) the other person’s spiritual protection, their allies etc., all come into play is highly unrealistic.

If you take any medication, ask an honest doctor if it cures 100% of all people with that condition - the honest answer will be no, of course not, and a small number of people will even be made worse by it.

But we don’t throw the entire concept of medicines out the window due to that - we remeasure, reassess, and try and get it a bit better next time.

That, and not expecting 100% or it’s invalid, is the truly scientific approach.

But anomalies, freak outcomes and so on happen in every single area and nothing can ever be 100% proved effective.

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[quote=“Kyuubi, post:67, topic:4464”]a bit off-topic but this is not exactly true…

you could win 80% of the time in the stock market and still lose money.
I could win only 20% of the time in the stock market and still make money.[/quote]

Yea that is kind of obvious hence why traders and even gamblers usually employ so called “risk management” tactics and systems. That makes it impossible for somebody with an 80% winning statistic to lose.
You can then utilize what is called a discretionary or even a fully systematized tactic (having a computer trade for you and win).
You’d have to be a severe idiot to lose long-term when you have a known 80% winning system. And again, 80% is extremely high…most systems achieve a ratio of about 60%-40% which is considered quite high and workable.

Only winning 20% of the time statistically speaking does occur, and with occasional profits, but those are usually the ones who either commit suicide after losing everything in some high risk trade or who simply leave the markets/casinos altogether.

You correctly assessed that you were going off topic because it hardly applies to Magick, where you are not usually working with a finite amount of “money” that you can potentially lose. Sure you can fuck yourself up with Magick, but that’s another topic.

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pretty much.

LOW? are you kidding me? if you do anything over 50/50 you’re ahead of the game.

you can measure your ability, by the way. yes, more of my overanalytical mentality. but there is a reason for that. i’m not falling for delusion. i want to know what the chances are.

[quote=“DarkestKnight, post:63, topic:4464”]If you read the stories of the famous magicians, no one seems to get to 100% efficacy. Why? The more you do something, the better you get at it, right?

Is full 100% success impossible? It shouldn’t be if these powers and forces are part of what we are.[/quote]

100% is not possible in physical reality.

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At least one possible point is that the study and practice of these arts is a grand adventure, and fun. Ars gratia artis.

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As a beginner that was one of the first things that I learned, that magick is never 100%.

There are two many variables involved in reality. Only God’s can master reality.

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But anomalies, freak outcomes and so on happen in every single area and nothing can ever be 100% proved effective.[/quote]

This reminds me of an observation. If you take a clock, hold it up in front of you and ask a friend standing behind the clock which direction your hand is moving while you use your finger to go clockwise around the clock. The answer they tell you will totally seem illogical but it is their subjective reality they see and create as oppose to what you yourself is actually creating. … As you say, anomaly, freakish outcome… Just a quantum thought.

As a beginner, soaking up all this forum, makes me just want to digress for a minute. So here goes. Wanting to know more about I and the All. Finding EA youtube channel was a ‘God’ sent. That led me to this forum about a month ago. And if that wasn’t enough, (don’t ask me why, it just is) but I was directly pulled towards the posts of Lady Eva – What a wealth of FIRST HAND information you have.

Anyway, what I really wanted to ask you Lady Eva, have you written any books on your experiences from, I would say, since coming into this wealth of knowledge which you without question, seems to posses? If yes. PLEASE direct me where I could find such a treasure. If no. Then PLEASE, put pen to paper, because I’m sure… and I know almost everyone here on BALG would agree, it would be a bestseller. Everyone having a mad dash to get their hands on a copy. I know I would.
I know there’s a lot of books out there written by researchers who got inspired by a ‘voice’. IMO occult books must be penned in symbiosis.

To understand gods(dess)spirits, one has to understand their intrinsic nature. From reading your many posts and that of the others here. You obviously feel and know what that’s like. Apart from self(…I), who better to learn from, than that who opened up self(…I) to that knowledge… You did that for me Lady Eva.
If I sound like I’m fawning… guilty.

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Thank you for the kind words but they’re not really merited, my life’s not perfect and I still do plenty of really dumb stuff; and no, no books, not going to be any books, just ramblings on this bit of the net.

You’re the one who opened yourself up to seek knowledge, and anything you found along the way reflects your own search. :slight_smile:

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[quote=“tijuanabe, post:69, topic:4464”][quote=“Kyuubi, post:67, topic:4464”]a bit off-topic but this is not exactly true…

you could win 80% of the time in the stock market and still lose money.
I could win only 20% of the time in the stock market and still make money.[/quote]

Yea that is kind of obvious hence why traders and even gamblers usually employ so called “risk management” tactics and systems. That makes it impossible for somebody with an 80% winning statistic to lose.
You can then utilize what is called a discretionary or even a fully systematized tactic (having a computer trade for you and win).
You’d have to be a severe idiot to lose long-term when you have a known 80% winning system. And again, 80% is extremely high…most systems achieve a ratio of about 60%-40% which is considered quite high and workable.

Only winning 20% of the time statistically speaking does occur, and with occasional profits, but those are usually the ones who either commit suicide after losing everything in some high risk trade or who simply leave the markets/casinos altogether.[/quote]

I still disagree…
winning probability is only a small part of the equation.
regardless of it, to make money, you simply must be paid more when you are right than when you are wrong… how often you win matters a lot less.

and I already gave you a counter-example to your 80% claim.
if it was that easy, then everybody would be selling out of the money options, it’s a simpe strategy that has a win probability of 85% or more depending on the strike.
Surely everybody would be doing that if it were that simple…
yet many hedge funds still have strategies centered around trend following, that has a low probability of winning (think 20 to 30% on average) but on average, winners pay a lot more than losers.

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Damn it! I just can’t let it go. I keep reading book after book on magick, and “Al’ash tad alash tal ashtu” keeps popping into my head at random times on a loop. LOL

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I find that the occult in general is addictive. Once you get a peek of the “hidden knowledge” you feel special. This is reinforced when something happens and you get a peak beyond the veil. Even if you have never had anything “magical” happen it will change you. Anyone who has studied the occult can see how their basic outlook on life is different from others. You are more aware and awake than others. Also I find books on the occult and people in the occult fascinating. Besides there is no going back once you have that “peek”. You have had a taste of “Godhood” all be it small, still after that first taste you have to admit you want more.
So don’t give up, no one likes a quitter.

Icedrac

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Since you are still here… I’ll save you a few years of trying to escape. You can’t quit once you look behind the curtain and see the strings on the puppets. The universe will continue to teach you whether you want it or not, whether you study or not. I tried going back to a normal life, and the only thing that happened was that I learned a lot slower and was frustrated and bored more frequently. This continued until I committed to my own ascent again.

Keep reading until there is no new information. I have purchased 300+ page tomes for one or two pages. It’s all about finding what works. You can use everything you learn as a reflective analogy to gain insight into anything else in your life whether you end up using magic or not.

Keep using the chant until there are no other thoughts left.

‘no matter what.’ is an effective add-on to your thinking about your goals.(If you are serious about attaining them.) It will open hidden avenues in your mind, both within yourself and in your perceptions of the world around you.

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I know this post is old I don’t know how I came across it. But I see familiar faces here. Has the success of your rituals seemed to have increased from then to now? Or anyone else posting in this specific forum?

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Yes, my rituals have improved quite a bit. I am now at the 65-70% success range.

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