How much protection does simple prayer provide?

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How protected is someone who doesn’t practice magick but prays?

Is someone who prays daily more protected than someone who prays ever so often?

What about someone who specifically prays for protection?

This is my thoughts on it but idk if I’m right, wrong or even close:
Let’s say that spiritual protection, is like a knight in body armor, the more protection spells, rituals etc you do/have done the more armor you have on. For example, someone who has done the MPR from Damon Brand’s Magickal Protection vs someone who doesn’t practice or pray would be like a knight with full body armor going into battle with someone in plain clothes.
Someone who prays ever so often would have a small shield but still in plain clothes.
Someone who prays daily would have a bigger shield.
Someone who prays daily specifically for protection would have a very large shield and a bullet proof vest.
Someone who practices and does protection magick would have a large shield, a bullet proof vest, and a helmet.
Someone who has done multiple powerful
protection spells or rituals would have on full body armor.
So on an so fourth with the armor being made of stronger materials if you do more powerful protection magick.

That’s pretty much how I view it but idk if I’m accurate or even close.

What are you alls thoughts?

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Im curious about this too.

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Well, prayer is just another way of doing magick, so as with magick, it depends on the practitioner, their abilities to move energy, their belief and lack of doubt.

It’s not gamified into levels though, and while “having armour” against physical melee combat is a good analogy and can be used as a thoughtform, it’s not like that becsuse there are many more ways to run foul of unwanted energy than some dude trying to hit you with a medeval weapon. This is not physical so relying only on physical analogies and the symptoms of reality that work in a place with gravity, even temps, air and rules of physics can be overly limiting to your application. You’ll can roast alive in a suit of armour, or freeze, or be bound, or be sent mad, or anything else that the armour isn’t designed to stop.

It’s not quantity it’s quality and intelligence that counts more in magickal battles. They are more psychological than mechanical… Your physical body is not the one being attacked, your qi, astral/mental and emotional bodies are.

There will always be attacks, parasites, self-created crap and energy issues you didn’t account for. If you do astral combat against human mages they can simply choose to not be affected by your shields.

So while you absolutely want to set up “armour” against your average and expected day to day astral wildlife, you need more than this. I would say you need a strongly dynamic ability to intelligently recognize and counter issues as well as passive protection.

Be able to: (off the top of my head, I’m running through the kinds of common issues you’d rather have not happen to your energy)

  1. recognise and counter incoming attacks, obviously, but both psychological as well as astral combat, or a bad luck curse, or mental influence etc etc
  2. Be able to tell the difference between ambient shitty energy, self created shitty energy, normal human sickness and attacks,
  3. be able to fix leaks and imbalances in your qi, from normal sickness or magickal
  4. know how to take care of yourself and repair imbalance after damage
  5. Recognise vampiric and poisonous attachments and how to remove them
  6. Recognise influence on your mind and emotions, whether from normal human empathy or attack
  7. Recognise indirect attacks, such as on those around you, on your luck, your car, your relationships (sour jars etc), your house, eg chaos magic attempts to burn your house down with you in it (rare but happens).
  8. Know how to not invite parasites into you, and banish and cleanse them when they appear, including organisational mind virus “mass psychosis” type parasitic thoughtforms
  9. Find and remove bindings and compulsions
  10. Find and remove blocks and restrictions in your qi body from past trauma (these are lije energetic scars) that can also be sites for leskage and parasite attachment or mental/emotional manipulative attacks

I think praying generally attempts to simplify all this by asking a deity to deal with the details, but that is risky and then when shitty things happen, the deity isn’t blamed for failing or it’s it’s will anyway. I think it generally doedn’t work that well, magickally speaking, it gives a basic shield and doesn’t help with combat or deliberate attack or parasites.

After that it comes down to what’s in your toolbox of techniques and skills. You can’t heal what you don’t know about and can’t see. You can perform protection rituals all day but you’ll not cover 100% of situations you can face, so don’t waste time doing that: hit the 80/20 rule and have skills to deal with the 20% of unexpected conditions.

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Wow such an amazing explanation/answer! I’m so grateful thank you! You’ve given me many things to look into and consider and changed my perspective on protection in a spiritual sense. Especially in the examples you gave. I’ve always felt like my own beliefs and doubts in regards to prayer were they reason prayer alone hasn’t worked well for me. Man do I love learning new things! Especially about magick, witchcraft, & spirituality. So many details and complexities! I love it :heart_eyes:

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Every religion has its codes that are designed to protect you from spiritual attacks. They’re not necessarily magick, but they act the way magick does.

First protection is to live an ethical life. Every religion has its own ethical code to guide a believer.

Second is to be attached to and well-thought-of in your community of fellow believers (the Bride in Judaism, the Body of Christ in Christianity, the Ummah in Islam, the Sangha in Buddhism, etc) and to attend community gatherings as often as you can.

Third is to give charity for the sake of your community’s well-being, so the community as a whole doesn’t suffer abuse from non-believers.

Fourth is to honor believers who came before you, especially ones who were martyred for the faith.

Fifth is divided depending on whether the religion is open or closed.

If the religion is open, you’re required to proselytize to non-believers (for example, the LDS, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Hare Krishnas spend time preaching their gospels, and the Charismatics invite non-believers into their megachurches or go on social media to share their love of God or impart moral lessons from daily living).

If the religion is closed, you’re required to represent the religion in a good light in front of non-believers and wait until the curious ask about your faith, and then you get to refer them to a clergy member to see if they’d make a good fit for the system. This is how the mystery systems and secret societies operate; in some cases, you can’t apply, you have to be referred by an insider who is impressed by your potential before you receive an invite.

These are the typical outward protections, which give you community cover, a good name in the world, and good personal habits that speak on your behalf.

Then there’s the spiritual practice, which usually comes down to setting up a special room for contemplation, seasonal observations, weekly or daily spiritual cleansings, daily readings and reasonings, multiple daily prayers where you ask for favors and protection from harm, and daily meditations where you listen to your intuition for guidance and answers. There are other things as well, but these cover many of the universal basics.

The prayers and meditations come on the back end of the first five parts of outward practice. In the New Testament book of James 2:14 to 26, James the Just said ‘Faith without works is dead.’ The five points i mentioned are the works part. Without those things in place, faith or believing in your religious protection is greatly compromised as a religious person.

Again in the New Testament, Jude 4, 12 and 13, 16, 19 explain the type of pew-warmer who pretends to believe but who doesn’t practice the tenets. Jude 5 to 9 describes how both human beings and even angels have brought calamity upon themselves by not following the precepts of their religion. In these cases, a lack of diligence comes out in their character, meaning they act out of arrogance or impulsiveness, and react out of derision or desperation, scorning instruction in both cases.

Regardless of whether they seem to be successful in life or failing, their character shows and that lets you know their prayers will not be answered and they are not under spiritual protection, regardless of how it may seem. Even if they seem to be living a solidly happy life, a Tower moment will either expose their true predicament, or expose the fact that their beneficence comes not from religious observance, but from magickal technique.

With that said, a magician can jimmy the locks on any religion’s protection techniques and use them as they see fit because magicians connect directly to spiritual forces rather than human ones. For this reason, when you see a religious person acting against the religious precepts but their life continues to prosper, they are most likely doing something based on magickal foundations to support them. This is why i say a Tower moment will expose that beneficences comes from magickal technique. This is the reason why some people who are considered wicked by a religion’s tenets prosper regardless of them breaking religious taboos, and also underlies persistent hypocrisy in religious institutions: magickal practice enables and supports success despite religious disobedience.

This happens because the core of every religion is someone who established a magickal practice. The outward and inward habits are a shell of spirituality that give many of the benefits of spirituality, but the actual magickal practice give the same results without the religion. The precepts are based on ethics, but magick itself has no ethics and raw magick achieves many things that religious people consider to be unethical, yet it works the same. It’s one of those things nobody can explain and that many fear, but there you go.

What this means practically is that you either want to live according to the ethics and precepts of your religion for maximum protective coverage, or you need to establish the basics of a magickal practice that aligns with your religion to achieve the protection regardless of whether or not you live a good life as defined by that religion.

An example of this for Westerners raised in Judeochristianity is the use of Psalms. Jewish people and Christians use Psalms for protection, but so do magicians. All 3 get the benefit of doing so. Jewish people gain the protections through observing the Mishneh Torah. Christians gain the protection through salvation and grace, and also by living a right life. Magicians get the benefit by commanding angels using Godnames in trances, or by consecrating sympathetic magick objects linked to their aims. All 3 have their precepts they live by, and the precepts underlie the results they get. For the Jew and Christian, their success or failure depends on their diligence in following religious precepts and their faith in YHVH or Jesus’ ability to bless and protect them. For the magician success or failure depends on skill in executing magickal techniques.

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Prayer is usually meant to connect you to your deity and an act of devotion. They’re not really designed as protection. Any protection you get out of it is probably circumstantial and more of a residual effect, depending on the deity and your connection to it.

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“Prayer” simply refers to communication or making a request. Like you may see a character in one of Shakespeare’s works say “I pray thee, tell me …” etc.

Prayer can be as ritualized as you like. So, a prayer can involve a petition for protection, or anything else.

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You mean simple prayers, not long incantations. Ok, i think i have answer.

I think that even a simple mantra can represent very strong protection.
Strong faith in a true enlightened Guru, as a master of cultivation and the one who fulfills desires.
If someone keeps getting into trouble by himself, I think such protection will not be as strong, because such a person is going in the direction of evil. This is his free will.

It is like invoking the energy of health and smoking cigarettes. You know what I mean.

Here is an example of spiritual protection

I was meditating on the mantra Om Sai Rakshak Sharnam Deva

I woke up in the astral plane.

The demon smiled sinisterly when he saw me .

Another demon behind him said: do not touch him!

He put his hand on my shoulder

So the demon started burning.

A true guru has the power to remove misfortunes, spiritual and physical, which does not mean that life will be idyllic. A person must have a plan for himself. Man must improve himself, and this is painful. At least it seems so at first.

There is no way to protect completely from pain, but you can protect yourself from unnecessary suffering. Maybe you were supposed to have a car accident, but you won’t have it.

Maybe others want to destroy your plans, but they won’t because the enlightened one won’t let them. They will get into trouble and misfortune themselves and will have to take care of themselves .

Maybe the demons are planning this or that, but they can’t do whatever they like, because there are being above them.

I think that a living faith in a True Guru combined with prayer and avoiding evil can be an excellent protection.

That’s my opinion.

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That makes perfect sense and i agree with it 100%.