How long does it take to get results?

Ah, come on! What good does it make to kick yourself in the groin and think of yourself as a “failure”?

You know we have more abilities than seeing and hearing spirits, right? I rarely see and hear my spirits, but I feel them - and energies - physically and emotionally. My strongest sense. I can also see energies manifest visually, which is a good compromise when not being able to see spirits through clairvoyance at regular basis.

I suggest you focus on your strongest ability, whatever that may be, and start from there. The more you use that ability, the more you can utilize it.

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Thanks all, will try again.

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Maybe take a day or two and come back? Or just do one thing at a time?

You want senses first it seems. Just open that Sigil and meditate daily for a bit.

You can’t run if you can’t walk, ya know?

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Yeah, “dark night of the soul”, is not an uncommon phenomena. happened to me 3 times in the last 5 years. Basically during this nothing you do works and you start to question your path and abilities. Some say its a test from the gods to see if your committed and ready to move forward. Generally if you tough it out your magic will be more advanced afterwards

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I really don’t get it. One week results, and then nada. Perhaps take an atheist approach - I’m tempted to tell the spirits “prove me wrong”.

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I have felt the same, man. Many, many, times. I have actively practiced for over almost 15 years and I still don’t get the manifestations everyone else does. I used to feel like a failure as well, like magick just wouldn’t work for me.

Here is my old thread, from back in 04, just to show that you are not alone in what you are feeling:

A former member here, Arcane, channeled Belial for me, and what he said really struck home, and may be of relevance to you. With a bit of paraphrasing, He told me to, “stop comparing yourself to others. Spirit moves in its own time. It cannot be forced, and will open when it is ready.”

I took a break from magick but I could never really let it go. I have followed Belial’s advice and have let things unfold as Spirit dictates, and now I feel like I am finally, truly, advancing.

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I’ve been here stewing and thinking.
Maybe demand a timeframe or negative publicity comes with the name attached.
Or demand a timeframe, expecting nothing, and plainly tell them there is no compromise on time. If it happens within that time, they get kudos.

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If you do that, you are setting yourself up for failure, because your expectations will get in the way. Time frames are tricky so I usually say within 30 days or something similar, depending on the task.

One trick I’ve learned when setting a task for a spirit, is to see the entire ritual as a step on my Ascension. Just performing the ritual is setting forces in motion for your spiritual development and I have found this mindset to be very helpful against lust for result or frustration at lack of result.

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I do appreciate everyones input, I do, and yours made me think … Fourteen years of results is quite good :slight_smile: I’ve only been here for a few years tops. I’ll keep trying, but I’m not expecting anything.

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Definitely stick around. You are setting forces in motion with each ritual you perform, physical results or not. Eventually, it will all come together.

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Thanks much brothers and sisters :slight_smile:

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Brother im going through a bit of that myself. Can i tell you a secret? You have some of the most amazing skills with divination ive seen. Your ability to read a person is great. You are very thorough with tarrot. I believe that what you are looking for is very close for you. Dont doubt yourself. Its just a long walk. Dont let the cracks in the path trip you. Own them and use them to your advantage.

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As within, so without.
Or: ya get out of it what ya put into it.

If you are telling yourself that you are a failure, you will continue to fail.
If you perform your ritual/meditation/communication with supreme confidence, you will succeed.

Every magickal book makes a point of the practitioner being in command. Confidence.

If you have doubt in yourself or what you’re doing, that’s going to screw it up. You need to cast that shit aside. Like Marcellus Wallace said, “that’s pride…fuckin witchoo”. Or, in this case, ego and fear trying to keep you from accessing the beautiful being that you are.

I’m looking at @damionmoore’s comment as I type this and it’s funny because I’ve said the same thing to you. You have demonstrated ability and it’s clear to the people on this forum. That’s not just pats on the back - that’s recognition.

I believe in you. Believe in yourself!

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Thank you all :slight_smile:

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True true

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Question "Why am I having trouble with magic?"
Celtic Cross
Significator - Prince of Cups. Air of Water. Intense Force. A force that is volatile, changeable, and mysterious. Erratic energy that can be both sublime and destructive. Energy like that of steam or mist.
Covers - 7 of Disks - Lord of Success Unfulfilled, Saturn in Taurus.
Crosses - 6 of Wands, Lord of Victory. Jupiter in Leo.
Crowns - 10 of Cups - Lord of Perfected Success. Mars in Pisces.
Beneath - 9 of Disks - Lord of Material Gain. Venus in Virgo.
Behind - V. Hierophant. Taurus. Hearing, especially interior hearing. Between Wisdom and Mercy.
Before - 8 of Wands - Lord of Swiftness. Mercury in Sagittarius.
Querent - XIX. Sun. Regeneration.
Environment - Princess of Cups. Earth of Water. Rules Libra/Scorpio/Sagittarius.
Hopes and Fears - Ace of Cups - Root of the Powers of Water. H. The beginning of that which pertains to love and emotion. Receiving. Nourishing.
Final Outcome - 8 of Swords - Lord of Shortened Force. Jupiter in Gemini.
Shadow - 2 of Swords - Lord of Peace Restored. Luna in Libra.

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There I am not feeling successful, victory crossing me, but success (perfected success) is over my head, but material gain beneath my feet. The time for hearing is past, action now in a swift way.
To regenerate, to feel the warmth of the Sun, M, Earth of Water - Fall Equinox.
H, instruction and nourishment is the hope, but I may have less resources than required to have peace.

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So six months of action, whether or not I “hear” anyone I guess … You guys, and my first teacher was right … In his words, “do the fucking work.”

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thats a solid reading. I just do minis for myself. Do you feel, see, or hear the entities that we have discussed being around you

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Sometimes I think I feel them. Unfortunately, the gods gifted me with utter poverty, so I can’t have a continual stream of income in my chosen field, and have my own place.
See, if I have my own place, then I could evoke one goetia an hour. Within a week, I’d have met most. But, then again, seeing and hearing. All I can do is trust they’re there. Candles and incense help to give me clues, but I can’t do that where I live. Couldn’t really do it most of the time at my last apartment, but it is what it is.
So, all I can do is invoke and trust it’ll be done in a reasonable timeframe.
I’d even do a pact if it spares me interviewing bullshit questions. Just hire and pay me what I ask for, I will do the work.