From what I understand Voodoo is not considered black magic from what I read. Ive been trying to research on what exactly Voodoo is and I sort of have an idea and it’s origins in Africa but what exactly are lwas and how do they WORK when the spellcaster casts the spell? I just purchased some Voodoo love and obsession spells not long ago and was curious how the lwas exactly function for those spells to work on the targets and the step by step process of what the Voodoo practitioner does. Does it hijack their mind, influence them while they are conscious etc ? Has anyone had success with using lwas and Voodoo for magic, especially for love spells and breakup spells?
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Voodoo is considered a way of life that often includes religious like rites and worship of the Loa or Lwa which are the humam turned deities of the pantheon.
Most of the Loa/Lwa if not all are considered to have once been incarnated on earth, whether or not it was before or after obtaining deification. You can trace their individual origins way back beyond what we commonly hear to ancient Nigeria, Africa and other lesser known places that for some reason are really hard to peg down except upon random reference. I gave on figuring that particular puzzle out and simply decided it was clearly more complicated than it appears.
Many of them are noted for violent or dangerous energies and actions though when one looks closer they find most of those actions were a result of the entity being seriously wronged then basically loosing their shit, or martyrdom.
As such many humans call these entities to use them for unjust purposes thinking that because they display those abilities they will help in their human situations then have no comprehension of why the shit hit the fan or something went wrong.
The Loa are absolutely capable of manipulating and controlling someone for you, but my observation is that even worshipers and devotees often find that Loa react violently when used this way.
If you noticed many hoodoo practitioners won’t do curse work without divination and some evidence it’s a just cause and they tend to only work with the Loa who can be synchronized with Saints and say to avoid the demons unless you know what you are doing and many of these spirits are considered demons or devils by some.
I think the unjust and free will stuff means something to the spirits in questions and if they were human once, well I think it would make sense that some of them would indeed carry a strong sense of right and wrong into the afterlife.
Voodoo is a closed practice, requiring initiation, so I cannot comment with any certainty about the work you had done or the practitioner or their skill or any of those things that should be considered as I work with the Loa outside of that capacity entirely.
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Thanks for the elaborate response. By incarnated on earth do you mean these loas entities actually existed in historical records ? Like papa legba, Erzuli etc ?
And do you know how the lwas work on the target itself or known anyone who used it on someone with results ? Do the loas enter the person and posess them or something ? I just wasn’t understanding how the target is remotely influenced by these loas to bend their will. I also wonder if it’s considered white or black magic an how far does it actually bend the will of the person.
I was told the results can take up to three moon cycles or even longer but not sure. I feel like I will lose patience before then though but trying to be calm about it
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Supposedly in ancient times, or even in more recent times but I’ve found it near impossibly to document.
Everyone seems to believe it and say it and the Loa are most definitely some of the strongest, more present spirits I’ve worked with, but I can’t find the proof they walked the earth, it gets all impossible to someone with no access to real documents or ability to speak the right languages to do 
I don’t know if there exist an organization that has preserved the history of these deities or not.
Nothing I’ve read specific to voodoo has been different from any other folk magic I could obtain information on except the use of the Loa, all the rituals and spells I’ve seen are based on the same premises folk magic is.
The history may exist but I don’t know that it can be easily obtained or that it’s worth it in our physical world.
The Loas have taught me many techniques on the premise I should learn to do the work myself and not rely on others.
All of the techniques revolve around some understanding of how energy generated, plus thought and intent affects an intended target.
Could they possess a target for a dramatic affect?
Probably if the target was weak and had no defense, was inebriated and their guard was down, was already depressed or feeling bad, but someone whose strong, healthy and has a strong will power?
Idk bout that. Most scholars and magicians alike believe you need to give an entity possession to enter you or merge with you and this has held true in my experience even when I was sick and thought I was dying.
No I won’t leave this body and let something else have my good life, no thanks.
Do the Loa ride people in ritual? Yes. I’ve not had this happen, I half think it has to do with determining who they can use and who will learn to do that in reverse but I don’t know.
I haven’t experienced it, but I did have Samdedi inquire about it once early on, outside of ritual.
I thought I was going crazy talking to an energetic shape leaning on a tree in the distance but the essence was, no thanks and I laughed at myself for having such weird thoughts.
But then he said well. What if it was like a box in your mind and you could control it if you wanted to.
Yeah really, no thanks this my vessel dude.
But then he said, what if it was like a box in Your mind where I sat and made comments and you could choose.
Still no sorry.
That was a long time ago and certainly seemed to be a test of sorts to me but I’m not scared to invoke them now and I’m not scared that because I’ve invoked them they could take control and I wouldn’t know, it just doesn’t feel like they could just do that.
Now then thought influence and manipulation often come across in your mind like thoughts or ideas of your own.
Or even feelings. Feelings are energy too and can be transmitted to others.
So yes that can be done with energy and not possession pretty easily, we’ve got a tutorial around here for doing it. The less aware someone is of their own thoughts the easier it is to put in new ones.
People who know how they think and feel are more likely to realize something’s up and do something be it magical or mundane about it.
All people however can react subconsciously or have protection when these types of workings go against their will.
By technicality forcing someone to be subjugated to your will is black magic but most of us seem to feel dark and light and all of that is somewhat of an illusion and it’s more when you have two choices are you making the right one or the wrong one.
Sometimes both are wrong, so it ends up life and dark and light are subjective. What I see as a mercy or blessing another could see as an attack, and ridiculous as it is some people will attack you for wishing them well too because it encroaches on their free will if you didn’t ask.
Sometimes we simply can’t do what we would do and a whole number of factors come into play when you think about actions and what your doing.
Healing someone too much/too fast in some cases can kill them, can remove their chance to overcome an important life lesson and a number of actually bad things we don’t think about.
So determining whether something’s black or light becomes impossible in the grand scheme, even using reflective type defense can give someone cause to say you attacked them if they can find a way to cover up they attacked you first and well we are talking about energy and magic and people do lie even to spirits.
Hopefully can see every action can be literally inverted and made from good to bad or the other way, despite what was originally intended if the target or an outside force had a different perspective than ones own.
That will depend on how they did the working and your own belief, energy and score sheet.
When working for myself I diagnose the timeline completely different than when working with others because I often take a gentler hand to their work.
When I’m working for me I can reach out and feel all the energetic parts and figure out many things that can’t be seen and once I’ve taken the time to do that and listen to my intuition I can do rituals that deliver quickly.
But when I’m working for others I won’t do that. For one I don’t want anyone’s bad mojo, feelings or to become intertwined in their life, they need a nudge in the right direction and it’s best to let them go till they need or want another nudge.
Also it’s rather time consuming to find this space inside myself and map out the energy and some people can feel it if you get too close, and really you need to get close to feel everything and really understand it.
So I personally do work that allows things to come up naturally, unobtrusively, as if by coincidence.
This means it might take 3-6 months. I don’t usually see too much taking longer than that but if we are overhauling your life or finding your soul mate it might because for things to happen gently and coincidently that means it takes time for the energy to find it’s way in to make the connection and do what you sent it to do, your life might not have the ability for those to happen right off so the energy I sent had to create the opportunity or give you a nudge to do something different or whatever it is.
Most of the time things happen so coincidentally that people either don’t relate it to the magic and assume it’s an organic coincidence or they are amazed at how surreal it seems when you have a bunch of coincidences lining up to deliver your result.
Sometimes the pieces don’t happen one right after the other so we don’t even link them as being parts or get that surreal feel like you do when it’s several in a row.
The timeline given isn’t unrealistic or indicative of a witch unable to do her work as it can take a bit for things to fall into place unless tou want a ride il upheaval drive 
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I updated the title to what I think you meant to help more people respond Let me know if it’s not right.
How some of it works, is by what we call “sympathetic” magick, that’s your voodoo dolls that sympathetically represent your target.
And yet more of it works through spirits, which are what the Loa are.
The plural of “a Loa” or “a Lwa” is “many Loa” or “many Lwa”. Maye Iwas is another spelling I didn’t hear of yet… I’m sure there’s others as well, but on this forum, if you use loa or lwa in your search terms you’ll get the most results.
I do recommend the search to read up on living examples of people here working with the Loa.
E.A. Koetting who is an owner of this forum did publish a book called the Spider and the Green Butterfly that walks you though some variants of voodoo spell casting if you’re interested. I would recommend talking to Papa Legba first.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond. I still don’t understand the entire workings of Voodoo but do you know if there are actually ways of making the spells work faster? I was informed by the practitioner to make offerings , even in the form of drawings for the Lwa. I also thought of contacting and requesting the Lwa directly but heard that’s really dangerous to do if you are a random beginner, is that true ?? I saw some tutorial that indicated you have to make some offerings and go through papa legba first it does scare me though. Reason is because I thought my requests would be heard more directly and results to come sooner if I directly speak to the lwas in charge of my work
Also I keep hearing it’s best not to obsess or be negative, I have been very attached to the outcome to the point of obsession and desperation and stress/grief. I am too attached to the target so do you have any advice on how to manage this ? I even ordered a negative energy removal spell and trying to do cord cutting rituals just to get the obsession and attachment down.
Have you ever seen Voodoo love or obsession, reconciliation spells actually work out with real results and how did it affect the targets in the end?
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Magic takes as long as it takes, kind of like when you’re in the car and your kid asks you if you’re there yet.
In my experience when one tries to push a situation too hard, it blows up in da face. 
Yes it is really true because most people will take what they read about voodoo, make offerings that offend the Loa or deploy them for situations that are not appropriate for them or their energy qualities.
Imop they prefer to teach the practitioner how to do it without using them and to call them when the practitioner truly needs helps and not for every whimsy thing that we could easily do if we only got past the mind and what we’ve been taught in the physical.
As such most beginners are not suited to approach the Loa on their own simply because they have no desire yet to do it for themselves, they want it to be entirely magical- meaning they don’t need to comprehend the mechanics of energy work and really most beginners need and at least think they require more step by step instruction than the Loa will give, even if you want to learn.
It’s been rather common for them to share the core concept of how to do a particular operation but for me to have to figure out all of the details- for example I recently was given a working to connect a person with their life path and the stone of opportunity to generate continual opportunities along a path clear to the life’s true goal.
That was the concept. I was supposed to make sure the ritual cleared the way and linked the individual to opportunities and to their life paths.
It took over night for my intuition to kick in and be like oh yeah, I see what you mean.
Some operations have taken days to figure out from the core concept and that isn’t even getting into having to be able to explain it in a workable method to others.
However how many of you even actually give a shit about your life path? Most people want to do what they want to do and don’t really care if it fits what they are here to do’s.
You would, and I don’t find the Loa to be anti beginner, but they are unlikely to coddle you.
Yep, the thing you can’t live without is the thing that will be ripped right out of your grasp. It’s important imop to find a balance between truly appreciating what we have and want and who’s in our lives and not being able to live without them.
Not wanting to have to not have something or someone one thing, but when we convince our minds that it will be THIS way or no way, I’ve had no way turn up every time.
I don’t work with voodoo, so no. I’ve not seen any love rites from the voodoo pantheon at all. In tranquil and Anima Sola prayers are actually designed to inflict lifelong pain and suffering if they essentially don’t become your little puppet, so I don’t consider these love workings and I can’t think of anything I’ve seen labeled voodoo that is designed to bring together individuals in a way that fits the lifestyle and true desires of the magician.
All of them I am privy to are designed to instill lust, obsession and the emotion of love without any foundation for these emotions to grasp into and without ensuring the individual chosen is a fit.
Or till instill faithfulness against someone’s will, when really if you are with the right person that’s pretty automatic, so once again if you find that’s what you need, your having to go against the other persons ability to control themselves and respect you, thusly encroaching on their will. I’ve even had that turned against me, when I didn’t see how it was wrong to want your marriage partner to do what was right.
Now I understand many years later that if they don’t want to do what’s right, it will be a continue game of who has the stronger will and it’s not worth it.
However. If you loosen the question and broaden it to have I seen love work with the Loa work? Yes I have seen an individual find his soul mate or what I feel is more likely the best local match that fits the best with his idea of how life should look.
This individual did not however use voodoo and the plea they made for surely they deserved to have it based on sound premises… just might not work for everyone simply because not everyone has done the right things or would have a sound premise to plea from.
How do it affect them? They became best friends with a woman they randomly bumped into for several months, then moved in together for a year and then got married and by all appearances are today just about the strongest couple I ever knew.
I feel this is because they were a match and built their relationship on friendship, the only magic I’m aware was done so that they would meet, not so that they would fall in love. The feelings generated themselves with the couple interacted as friends.
In your case idk what the answer is other than if you are obsessed with a result I’ve never had that go well with the Loa and that they may indeed expect more from you than you are willing to give, albeit it won’t be in offerings.
Drawings are a fine offering if you are an artist and there may be a reason you were told to that particular thing, I can’t know- sometimes entities do make requests but I’ve never had the Loa ask or expect any type of offering and if you want to see an energetic shit show, I highly recommend offering blood to the wrong one…
So it’s a complicated thing to work with the Loa, a beginner without any senses can do it, or dull senses because that’s where I started- I wouldn’t notice I could see something that wasn’t truly there because it would blend in with the tree they leaned on, or wouldn’t believe I heard something because it wasn’t possible, wouldn’t believe a result could be anything but coincidence.
I don’t however have any idea on what you can expect from a voodoo practitioner, they have spiritual practices and rituals that they do not share and I assume if they give you an activity to do, that it works the same as when I tell someone to journal or go for a walk and find a flower- it’s designed to generate energy towards a goal while also clearing out things that are clearly in the way but the individual just refuses to see because they can’t let go off the obsession.
For example I have had people email me daily about when might their results come for weeks. Then when I indicate that the response is the same everyday and I feel they are holding too tightly to their need for the result, they tell me they are not and they are not obsessing they are just checking and just curious because such and such happened so maybe that changed something…
So if she told you to draw she probably wanted you to get the obsessive energy out of the way and to give it to the spirits she’s called upon would simply work towards being grateful for your result and keep you busy since obsessing has a tendency to muck it up.
Please note I don’t want to seem discouraging, I find the barriers man puts between us and the spirit world and our ancestors and what we have a right to, to be downright stupid.
But I do feel the need to be realistic.
I do not approach the Loa like any other group, they have earned their right to respect in my eyes and so I do hold them in higher regards than most entities.
I do not find them less friendly or scarier or any of that, but they do not operate like other spirits imop and I do think that leads to most of the issues people claim to have. But I still haven’t had those issues, so I can only speculate.
I kinda tend to think of them as all being my ancestors, but really some of them date far enough back they are humanities ancestors, so one just really shouldn’t treat it like they would other pantheons imop from operation to expectation.
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