Have i been conditioned into a narrow either/or thinking where Demon = bad for us and Angel = good for us? Where does that conditioning come from? Abrahamic Church traditions? Solomonic magic traditions?
Do you really think divine entity are limited by good and evil ?
Are we human limited by only good or evil ?
No no no it foolish to think that angels are only good or pure of light or demon or banful negative or evil no no such thing the gods are not limited by humans ideas of good or evil only your idea place above them that limites what they can do because of the self place limit during the evoking. Angles can be just banful do the darkesk magic afterall the term to me angels and demons dose not fit the aspect of creation and the divine godhood we give them
To be fair to the jci traditions, biblical angels are richly described as scary af and looking inhuman and dangerous. You have classic stories in the testament of angels like Samael “sent by god” to unalive every first born son in every house and people had to do animal sacrifice to avoid it… That’s pretty evil if you ask me. Blood for the blood God there. (Yes I just compared biblical war demon ywhw to 40k chaos god of war Khorne -low effort lol)
The modern image of beautiful youthful humanoids in white tubes with rings and halos is quite recent, i think the Victorians invented that glossy layer.
But i think it’s false. I approach angelics no suddenly than I do anything else, and try not to preset expectations that would interfere with the entities expression. Doing that I get no difference between entries are all along the lines of angel vs fallen angel. The divide comes from more like a feeling of different species or earthbound or energies vs galactic/celestial.
Evil is not the right the word to describe Angels in general. Perhaps it’s better said that they have fairly low tolerance for human bull combined with little practical knowledge of being incarnated on earth. They see things from a birds eye view and don’t understand why we can’t go from point A to point B just like that. They don’t get that we have go over the river and through the woods so to speak. They don’t after all… so why should we? I’m speaking metaphorically of course but this is basically why they are perceived to be rather cold or aloof when it comes to human issues. After all, they are rather far removed from them, being what they are.
Also according to some, the Shem are actually fallen angels like the 72 Demons, so that could be another side to it if that’s true. I’ve only read that in passing once though and I don’t think it’s a very widespread belief. The Enochian Angels of John Dee are… very mysterious. They are powerful though and claim to be able to influence world events. There true nature though is a bit of a mystery.
Nope. They’re soldiers following orders. You need actual malicious intent to be evil.
The archangel Samael, aka Satan, was literally created to be the angel of destruction so he can’t really be evil either. Everything he does is part of his job, including being the Satan who tries to keep souls out of Heaven. He does just what he was created to do.
The Enochian angels are a different kettle of fish from the archangels. They are from a different realm and have a different hierarchy and a different mythology. Some occultists like Donald Tyson believe their job is to bring about the Apocalypse.
The angels of the Shemhamforash are derived from the Hebrew 72-letter Name of God. By their very nature, they cannot be fallen. The word Shem hamephorash literally means the explicit name and is used in mystical writings to refer to the Tetragrammaton.
I don’t know about being evil per se, but there are “black angels” and they can be used for baneful works. There is an incantation on this forum that was channeled by a former member for calling upon a legion of them.
I don’t think these entities are good or evil. Angels just obey their God, and daemons are neither good nor evil. The human terms of good and bad definitely don’t apply to the non-physical world. There can be malevolent beings but the divine like gods, daemons and angels are intelligent, far more intelligent than any other being in the universe, and even though we can’t always understand their intention being restricted by our human logic, I believe that if you tell yourself that if a being is for sure something, something important and divine, something that has power, you can come to the conclusion they are not evil and not good because why would they even need to be? They are just themselves and there is a reason behind their behaviour. They can act “evil” or “good” to our understanding but that’s just how we differentiate the terms and it’s not like they are entirely this or that.
Angels are not good not evil, they’re forces of nature. About Enochian Angels, there are the “Evil” Angels some of them are strong in diseases, others in greed etc… But they’re “evil” not in the moralistic way (in reality this is just a form to classify an entity that the strongest skill is in causing damage) so they’re the inverse of the “Good” Angels of the Elements.
About the Shemhamforash Angels, as @DarkestKnight said, they are derived from the 72 Names of God. I have a theory, but is only unverified Gnosis, that the 72 Shemhamforash Angels and the 72 Daemons from Goetia were once a different spirit that represented the totally of a name, so for example the Yeyalel and Ipos were once the same spirit. In my understanding, the so called “Fall” of the Angels is the result of the separation between the Consciousness (Angels) and the Shadow (Daemons). And I think that occurred to the Archangels in some way too, but not so cut and dry…
I have a few hypothesis based on some channeling sessions with Lucifer that seems to me that he was the shadow side of or Michael or Metatron, being the part where Michael “makes” him fall happening somehow.
Magick is a force like wind-power. The wind can destroy a town and it can power a mill that helps a community. Wind is not evil or good.
Yeah this notion that Angels ‘do good’ while Demons ‘do evil’ is a con perpetuated by Abrahamic clerics who want to monopolize anything to do with metaphysical inquiry or self-improvement.
In Abrahamic traditions, the cleric is the only official intermediary between the metaphysical realm and the 3D world…everyone else is a flock of sheep. Occultists are therefore the enemy.
Metaphysical cooperation or co-operators can be labelled as Angels and/or Demons and/or Angelic-Demons and/or Demonic-Angels it’s relative to each individual’s conclusion about what is to be done or intended and which Entity assists.
‘Love and Light’ teachers are unfortunately part of the Abrahamic con whether they like it or not. They teach humans to ask their own Angel team for favours and for relief and help. It’s seems Angel-centric or lop-sided…fake…unreal.
Sure we can get our Angel-team (loving entities of Love and Light) to e.g. find us a parking space at the shopping complex and when that works, well, someone else didn’t get that place. For them, your ‘Love and Light’ Angel-team are Demons.
A ‘love and light’ teacher does rituals or prayers to eat up the market on New Age products. It works but not for their rivals who remain obscure. In that case, the rivals have been slaughtered, left behind, decimated by who? The best-sellers Love and Light Angels (?)…i.e Demons (?).
The spirits pre-date notions of good or evil. I reckon EA nailed it also when he said that the Spirits helped early man to improve his lot…later came Abrahamism and it’s warped attempted entrapment of Entities.
Well this is why I said I only read about it in passing. I was on e-book site and browsing through their library researching angels which I think is where I found it. It was only one book though that said that. Most say exactly what you said.