So…you think summoning a demon into a triangle is offensive, yet you don’t think calling down an angel to put the demon in his place when he steps out of line is?
Hello, hypocrisy
From what I recall of Eva’s story it was a test. But the point is, if she hadn’t been prepared, it wouldn’t have been a fight, it would have been a slaughter.
The OP is right to be wary of what demons are capable of, and it is logical to take precautions like using circles and triangles, especially in the beginning. As we’ve seen on this forum again and again, when beginners start evoking spirits all willy-nilly, thinking demons are cuddly teddy bears, and their “bae,” bad shit often happens that they are completely unprepared to deal with.
Worrying about offending some spirit with geometric shapes is about the worst thing to base decisions on regarding keeping one safe.
actually, if you had read my responses to you (which based on this, you didnt) i said that summoning in a triangle is fine without godnames or intent to bind.
and i also said that if you feel in danger (if it is the entity that starts it especially) you have the right to defend yourself, yes people can be stupid and aggravate entities as well, im not in that group tho.
I read your reply quite clearly, dude.You actually stated that a triangle was offensive until I pointed out the thing about godnames, so don’t try to backtrack. You also said that a magician cannot bind a demon unless it lets him, which, if it were true, then godnames on a triangle wouldn’t do shit, and there would be nothing for a demon to get “offended” about. If binding didn’t work unless a demon “allowed it” then it wouldn’t be very useful, now would it? It would also mean there would be a lot of dead magicians lying around every time a demon decided to kick up a fuss.
Binding requires authority under will, whether that authority is your own, or that of a deity. That is what spirits respect. In the Goetia, the spirits are said to be under the authority of Lucifer, and thus can be bound under his authority, just as well as “God’s.”
they could get offended at the magickians attempt to try to bind them or control them
it isnt useful, because if it works, you already start on bad terms with the entity (binding is in itself, offensive, period.), and if it doesnt, well…the entity might just have some fun with you
I choose to not use a Solomic style circle, though I will often cast a circle to help concentrate my energy and draw down spirits to preside over the ritual.
I do use invocations to empower and center myself but you will never catch me with canonical texts. Absolutely not.
I’m not very strict or terribly “ceremonial” in my works. Mine are fluid and intuitive, depending on what it is I’m doing.
I think this statement shows your lack of experience in traditional magic because it’s not true at all. For example, I have a geas upon my shielding that prevents any spirit summoned within it from acting against me, which means they are essentially bound as soon as they arrive. It was set by a Higher authority, so they have no choice but obey, and so far, the only demon who has even mentioned his dislike of it was King Paimon, yet he still works with me, and we get along fine. He doesn’t take it personally nor is he “offended” by it.
As for binding, while my methods may be more shamanic, trad witchy or whatever the adage: The operator is at the top while all else follows below him I feel is the case in regards to these things.
Magick isn’t just intuition and intent. Its power and the will to carry it out. Either you want the outcome or you dont and in the case of a spiritual attack, you either want to live or not and when you do, you won’t care what’s offensive and you will take authority over yourself, your reality and your life. No excuses or exceptions.
Well im glad things work well in your system, i personally dont like it and would never do it, even thinking about binding a spirit makes me feel icky lol
but i will defend myself if the spirit puts my life in danger, i treat spirits as i would treat any other being, if i want to get to know one, i will approach with respect first, if they put my life in danger (assuming its not a test) only then will i bite back
Looking at your post history, and considering how many issues you have had with spirits in your time on this forum, I have to wonder if maybe your approach is severely lacking in some preventative measures to keep you safe.
I think it is important to also point out that all spiritual systems have protections of some sort or another, even shamanism, which is heavily dependant upon the shaman’s relationships with their spirit guides to keep them from harm (this was also one of the roles of their spirit wives as well, to act as a protector when the shaman journeyed).
Religious Left Handers always seem to act like the traditional ceremonial magick of Solomon is the only system out there that treats spirits like they could harm the magician and that isn’t so. Magick has always been considered dangerous, and sometimes things like bindings are necessary.
The abjurations, and threats of torture, on the other hand…not so much.
I received a nice piece of driftwood from my friend @anon39079500 in Hawaii, that i’m forging into a blasting rod. I’m been told there are…things…that will come gunning for me as soon as my Higher Self decides I’m strong enough to have my shielding dropped. I don’t know how true that is, but it never hurts to be prepared. It’s always better to have a sword and never use it, than to need a sword and never have it.
