Ethical consideration on love visualization

So what if you want a relationship to play out in a particular way for example a breakup or proposal or take a break from a relationship.

And you want to avoid casting spells because you believe it messes with the free will of others, but you always think and visualize the outcome you want and your visualization actually made it manifest,does it still count as tampering with someone free will? Even when no ritual was performed?

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Technically, yes. However, if you are a solipsist or follow the teachings of Neville Goddard and the Law of Assumption, then it doesn’t matter because free will doesn’t exist since, according to those philosophies, you are the only consciousness in existence and other people are only figments of your imagination.

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Thanks for your correction.i have deleted it.i just didn’t want arguments to come up

Being alive among other humans means infringment of anothers free will eventually one way or another. There’s no way around it. It’s mostly about being aware of it, weighing how much you would consider your own autonomy more valuable than anothers in each situation and taking responsibility for your own actions, in my opinion.
A “simple” visualisation is mostly about cementing a certain outcome in your subconscious so you automatically respond or take actions that are in line with your goal. I think that is usually a lot less invasive than the somewhat more brute-force manipulation for a certain outcome using spells.

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Thank you.please can I send a private message?

So there is a guy I have been seeing for some months.he loves me,he is into me,I love him too,but he has a lot of trauma and baggages that shows up and causes problems for us.

He is very stubborn and will never go for therapy.

I ended things with him yesterday,but before I did,I asked him if I could use magick on him, and he agreed.

So I want to use magick to eliminate all those negative traits in him and strengthen our love,before returning to him.

The problem I have is that,I didn’t specifically tell him the intention of the magick,else a resounding response like “there is nothing wrong with me…blablablabla” will come from him and we would have had a very big quarrel.

It kinda of messes with his freewill but it is for his own good and our relationship good.

What karmic debt will I experience and how can I prevent this?

@mulberry please can you delete my previous topic or merge it with this? I tried to incorporate this update into my previous topic but couldn’t.

@DarkestKnight since you previously gave a response,here is an updated version and I will appreciate your input also?

The primary energy flow appears to be your attachment. That attachment can cause you to be drawn back together to repeat this effort in the next life.

As long as the blocks and issue remain, you will end up with similar outcomes.

A main isseu is on your end -

So you are dismissive of his needs and his life journey to process, heal and develop in his own time. That itself is part of the problem. In this case it may be better for him that you ended it to give him the space he needs… but then you didn’t do that, you just went underground with it continuing this judgement and lack of allowing and acceptance.

This can cause him to entrench as a defense of what he would subconsciously feel as an unknown psychic attack, and the magick will likely fail, bouncing off protections. You have to be honest about the intention for him to give permission for it to work.

What love? You do not love all of him unconditionally. You love a fantasy image of the person you wish he was, and is not.
If you love him why would you want to change him into someone else?
Why can’t you wait for him?

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Most talks about non-violation of others’ will refer to the True Will, the one of Higher Self etc., while the mundane, everyday will is anyway a result of environment influences. Question would be, is it a violation of free will to add to the sum total of influences also the magickal one? In this particular case it sounds that you’re trying to avoid something that you would do anyway, but consider forcefully suppressing out of ethical considerations, so by the fact that the will that would be violated is probably not too much there anyway, I think the visualizations are perfectly ethical, and the opposite, to suppress, would be somewhat an exercise of self-harm, which can be considered unethical in itself by some. But this question in pure form would be a question precisely about big, serious spells: is it a violation of free will if the free will is not there anyway? (It’s not a rhetorical question, there can be systems of answers, theories, models.)

Sure thing, fire away ^^
Although, I am not online much nowadays so just to warn you in advance that I might not reply very swiftly.