@Lady_Eva … What I meant as not giving a crap about India or Islam is in relation to how the West seems to idolize both (primarily the yoga fanatics and business leaders all about India, and politicians and super liberals want to rally to Islam for some reason).
Islam is worse than old school Judaism, in treating humans.
The entities of any religion will generally remain loyal to the cause.
Which is why we must learn to be a living God/dess.
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@Baal … Absolutely correct. We need to learn as much as we can, as quick as we can, and be living gods.
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I’m watching Lords if War right now, and two things occurred to me …
If you want to be rich, invest heavily in arms manufacturers.
If you want peace, learn heavily from war gods.
Some people can’t seem to corelate the points made on this thread and look at the bigger picture.
I request everyone to either stick to the point or shut the fuck up.
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Okay, what is your point?
I hear you but the problem is, this actually does happen - despair is a well-known trigger to enter a final (on the RHP) stage of renouncing attachments, and Self-realisation.
I no-shit blogged about this myself in this thread:
In trad. Hindu lineages, who have for all the faults ptreserved the concept that self and Self are one thing more than any other group, having life-wrecking events and renouncing the world through despair and pain is considewred a legitimate rerason to enter as a sannyasin - it’s a symbol the manifest world no longer wishes to cater for this person, that they’re on their way “home.”
Now, I took the different route once I had that experience but this tradition is a real thing and they didn’t make it up for shits n’giggs.
You’re either a thing bobbing haplessly in a sea of other things, pushed round by events you can barely understand, or, you accept your role as semi-aware co-creator of your own reality, and that all things in it are tools for your ascent.
Yes, it sucks, and yes muh starving African children and rape victims. Most of the forms the Sopurce takes are not operating from mastery of the Divine Paradox.
You’ll only stand a chance of REALLY helping the world’s troubled emanations though when you have stepped outside the box (literally, I mean the fucking cube symbolism, Saturn, do your homework) and seen what’s actually going on around you.
That’s on you, I like you and trespect you, but this IS “becomne a living god” not "become a haless victim of events who has to avoid anything too scary. 
I say that with goodwill towards the seed of theogenesis within you and everyone reading this.
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Delusion of grandeur sure is a strong thing. That’s all I’m going to say.
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So all Hindu & Buddhist scripture, plus the writings of their mystics (and the mystics of other faiths as well), the PGM texts, the Emerald Tablet & Kybalion derived from that, all the New Thought, Science of Mind, and Law of Attraction teachers, all delusional? 
Probably millions of people who found the same basic truth underlying reality, and usually without any method to communicate.
Cool, count me into that asylum please! 
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Metaphysics is not a delusion. <-- by that I mean various philosophical positions about such
However, the belief that a human being can be omnipotent is indeed a delusion. Until you can open an actual wormhole (not a ‘spiritual’ invisible one) before my eyes, I’ll stand by my position.
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I wanted to talk about other things (previous posts) but that will take time so I’ll talk about this first.
No, human beings cannot become omnipotent, only realize they are.
And opening a wormhole is not a even a sign of great power, many people can do that.
And a “spiritual invisible wormhole” is not so different from a physical wormhole that has an opening and an end both in our 3D time/space reality. Like from place on earth to another.
In fact, you can open a portal from one age on to another.
And that isn’t even a sign of great power.
Then how can opening a wormhole prove that “omnipotence” is possible?!?
Only defying causality(cause & effect), reason, logic and duality can be a sign of the omnipotence of a being.
Even you open wormholes!!!
if you don’t even believe that opening a wormhole is possible. What do you believe about godhood or the LHP? (I am just curious, no offence meant here)
How are spiritual wormholes any different?!?
It’d be of course more difficult to open a wormhole the one you want. But it’s the same.
All realities are in a literal sense ‘Dream bubbles’.
People can manifest things from their thoughts,
What reality is real reality then?!?
Law of attraction proves exactly that,
That life is indeed a dream of souls (not egregores)
E.A has explained alot in his seminars.
Have you wondered why souls need no source of energy but are it itself? But egregores need attention/worship?
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The things mystics and magicians (including me, sorry! 
) experience and describe so uniformly as a Self-realisation, that is to say, realising that the Source and self are one and the same awareness, are not philosophies, which is to say, mental contructs - they’re lived experiences.
Do you believe anyone, anywhere, has ever successfully evoked a spirit from another realm?
Because if so, that’s your wormhole, a being brought from an alternative realm into this one. Check your PMs. 
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WHAT!!! Did you get a fully photographable manifestation or something?
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I know what you mean, and you are right
I know pain is liberating,
Learning is a painful process, but too much pain will destroy anyone.
And not all the beings give you pains to help you but to feed off of your suffering.
See, azazel did speak the truth in his book, the point about damnation, it is necessary to experience it to become a god (perfect).
I was (still am) at a really bad phase, I had lost all hopes, pride, desires, ambitions, fears, and I was in that moment damned, and when I was hearing ea’s audio book. I was like "i know exactly what he means by ‘all hopes must be lost’ ".
I was in a very bad state but liberated, and powerful.
When you act without any fear of death, failure, humiliation, etc. Your actions are pure.
There’s a ritual I assume (dont remember) of damnation. Which damns you without destroying your life(like mine)?
Then isn’t that how a spirit’s supposed to help you?! Without destroying you!
See, i was in a state where I’d have had killed myself, but nothing pushed me to the RHP. the pain didn’t make me want to escape.
I remember the first time I was listening to that audio book, thinking about the pact I’d want with azazel, my mother woke up & screamed, it was 2-3am, and I went to her room and asked her why did she scream, she said somebody had touched her (no one was there).
These things pissed me off and I decided not to do any evocation.
This isn’t something new. I don’t want to get the things that have happened or still happen, astrally mostly.
I got many signs (syncronistic too) that that I was being led to this path, I was being called by the gods. They wanted me to evoke them. They were leading me to videos and books and shit.
I refused to make a pact.
They were reading my mind, and my thoughts were blasphemous!
These things pissed them off. since then I’ve been on a downward spiral, mentally, spiritually, and every which way.
I do not blame them though, I can’t, I accept I’ve been weak too, but I am not a coward.
@Baal is right when he says
Some entities are downright harmful to humans. They don't give a fuck about you
Just because some spirits teach lessons in a painful way, doesn’t mean all the pains caused by spirits are to help someone.
Some are just evil no matter how you are or what you do for them.
And yes, romanticizing such shit is messed up.
You can evoke beings that’d make you lose your mind, and mindlessness too is liberating.
But then you do have a self (ego) but no sense of self. You can’t think after that, you just can’t recover after that (not these people here) on your own.
Would you romanticize that?
People must be warned too.
Specially people with dogmatic beliefs.
They pick and chose what myths to believe in,
Whatever suits their beliefs.
Look at this guy’s post
`"How large do you think the astral is?
Infinite basically.
Now add to that past/present/future, which is basically the same on the astral.
Do you think an entity who has millions and millions of entities talking to it every moment will care about some guy on some forum"`
Now this guy assumes egregores have freedom to manifest anywhere they want in the universe but fails to realize they can’t even manifest on earth without being evoked, he doesn’t realize they can’t even exist in the astral realm (our collective subconscious) if nobody knows/talks/thinks about them since they are egregores, i.e dream characters.
He must have read somewhere that past present future events are happening in the now,
So he assumes that all these spirits are still having the conversations of the past!!
And also the future!!!
While the future is ever changing!!!
Infinite possibilities!!
Even these spirits cant say for sure what kind of conversation they may have tomorrow.
And above all,
He fails to corelate the facts that the beings he is claiming to be gods who travel the multiverse, have billions of conversations at once.
are the same goetic beings who even the most pathetic of christian magicians evoke and order around, treat like shit slaves that they are.
Seriously, why would a god whose so powerful be a slave to christians?
The 72 goetic demons are the same as 72 hoors of quran. These are beings who were to respectfully serve but rebelled and now are disrespectfully used as slaves!
(Lucifer is an exception to this because, like I said, he still is loyal to GOD and started a fake rebellion.)
He said they haven’t even noticed me,
I know better, they are pissed I spat on their invitation.
He said they don’t care about a guy on a forum,
But failed to explain why do they care if a christian magician were to burn their sigil!!! They’d beg him not to do it.
He fails to understand the difference between a soul and an egregore.
They care about some guy on a forum because I am a soul, they exist as figments of my imagination,
I am a god to them. They need my attention to even exist. Nobody can evoke me and tell me shit to do.
Gods who travel the multiverse can be evoked?!? And bossed around?? Bounded?!?
They’ll tell you “these are ancient gods, who were demonized”
but won’t accept that they are also enslaved And just because someone was demonized, that doesn’t make one a god!
Do you know how many gods there were, and still are, why weren’t they enslaved and demonized the same way?!?
They refuse to believe because they don’t wish for it to be true,
Because if this is true, they won’t be getting any help to become gods. They’d rather live in their lala land and call slaves gods.
These are the same people, who will deny any and all evidence you provide them of the shape of the earth.
Some people get triggered and get personal when their dogmatic beliefs are challenged with facts.
Some personally insulted me and said shit like this.
it would seem then that the true quest for the magician LHP or RHP is to seek immortality.
RHP and immortality?
Am I to take this guy seriously?
(And look at how they like each others posts.)
Ever wondered why eminem (and all others) became christian after he sold his soul (as he himself admitted in the song my darling).???
In that song lucifer says that eminem prayed to god he’d do anything to get a record deal and hints that god sent lucifer to him after that.
High degree masons become shriners (muslims).
That is why they have unopposed rule.
Do you know what human rights are according to the U.N?
Are you even a human?
Do you even know what’s happening on the planet?
Do your research people!
Beings that are slaves to religious people wont/cant save you from them. Never have.
Don’t make stupid excuse like “give them a platform” and shit
Instead seek higher gods and goddesses like
Herala who even lucifer fears!!
I’ve proved gods don’t help even if they have good relations with you and even when given a platform.
Don’t make stupid excuses to deny the facts that go against your dogmatic beliefs.
Personal insults towards me is a sign of this,
They got triggered.
And then people say “oh you just want free stuff”
“You didn’t give them a platform”
And ignore my points.
This isn’t just dogmatic beliefs, but worship!
I WISH THERE WAS A GOD WITH BALLS,
WHO I COULD GIVE A PLATFORM!
You have no Idea how much I seek these cosmic beings.
I can’t find the book that the guy mentioned which had herala’s sigil in it.
@Ravenxoxo said she was in a similar situation.
We all need to research on higher gods and make a thread on it and put all info on there.
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You know, I wanted to debate you and rip apart your arguments, but then I figured I might as well use my time to enjoy life.
You have no experience or knowledge in the occult. What you say isn’t based on anything.
There is no point in debating you.
Don’t use my words to try and push your narrative, will ya?
Thanks.
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You know I can still read your post that you edited(you did waste your time). I can rip those arguments but I’ll repost this.
Thanks for saving my time though.
I think I am done here anyways.
My best wishes
Ok,
I believe it has finally started, after almost a year now. So I guess me coming on this forum wasn’t a waste.
I’ve seen things happened today that I believe were done by these egregores to set me up for something big.
And if my assumption is correct, I will get the pain, misery, suffering, slavery, powerlessness and helplessness that I asked for in this life, but I don’t see how that can lead to a pact for the rest of the “million year” slavery.
(Can anyone here help me with this?)
I do have a pact signed with my blood in a book.
(Which my father found and then he prayed 
)
Maybe that’s it. Maybe not.
Anyways,
At least, I won’t be being a victim here, as I asked for it. I demanded it infact. This is me settling for a painful life instead of a shameless, happy life where I live a lie.
I don’t think I am more special than anyone,
There are other innocent beings who are suffering, why should I be happy?!?!? When everything I love is in pain, then I should be too.
My only complain here is, I may end up being reborn into religion.
Now that’s a tragedy.
That’s why I was seeking a pact.
Let’s see.
I don’t think anyone here has anything to do with it.
And if it’s just them, they should know,
no matter how much pain I am in, I’ll never pray to their master.
Fuckers that were supposed to tempt/deceive me and damn my soul wish to redeem it?!?!?!?!?
Hy ,am going to be plain here my fellow magician so that you can the unseen knowledge a little .
1: The power and knowledge you seek and your thinking of demons or Gods not having it or denying it isn’t true .To gain money ,wealth blah blah blah !!!is easy as I have done it countless times for many people and myself included .But Godhood is power on some other level ,plainly this shit that is earned through means you can’t fathom . Many magicians will never give you these secrets easily as ramifications of it if you attempt blindly will follow them too. Demons who men haven’t known and powerful are there but make no mistake ,they are usually that way for a reason .Some are far too dangerous to even attempt thinking of them ,and mostly bound or permanently constrained from our human domain.
-*Ll this once share this secret of what I do with you so that you may see reason .
Through Lucifer I thrice used necromantic balance into the dead world .This temporary reincarnation took me 3 months of practice to master .It involved the use of a grave dug to the ground , a coffin , blood (a lot of it ) ,energy ,and rituals that took 14 straight days to finish .
I left my physical body for a while became a spirit ,and took the power I needed for that process.
Now I’ve shortly explained the process but the input into doing it was way too much for you to fathom .
Bieng a God is not about controlling the media ,or government ,money blah blah . Of what use will US dollars be if am a God ,coming from a person who has died thrice through necromancy rituals believe ,the encounters of Godhood will change your thinking.
2: This Gods /Goddesses don’t demand worship or in a way think that without you or your approval they are less beings .The day you’ll taste power ,feel it burn you ,and know the work to put in to earn that power you’ll understand .
Nothing is given for free ,NEVER will you get anything without giving something .If you gain this power easily you won’t know its value . A magician I know possesses abilities of shape shifting into animals , birds ,humans (dead or alive ) …Demon SET granted him this .He achieved this as a human and it wasn’t easy .He leaves his body to SET’s realm and comes back to the living .What he gave to gain this is something I’d never wish or think of giving( per say I know what he gave to be granted this power ).
These egregores you brush off know secrets of the unseen in and out but don’t for a second think they’ll hand it to you just like that.
You seem to believe just because Lucifer or Azazel are “easy” to summon they aren’t powerful .They love worship as this is the only thing as a human you can possibly offer them .
3 : If you want to see the most powerful aspect of Lucifer ,take Goat blood and perform the ritual to summon him using the goat blood and see. This aspect comes vividly and is dead ass badshit .(PS .don’t attempt this at your own peril if you lack the requisite knowledge to contain him . ) The aspect of Lucifer many meet is his bluntly put "simple side “.
The knowledge and power you seek is there but you need to take baby steps towards it ,its an unspoken rule .
If you want it all quickly and " Right Now” well there are more worse things than eternal slavery as power which can’t be contain can tear or devour you .
Lucifer has pleaded ,main word is pleaded with me to take the draconian current and work my way through it but simply because I know the energy ,focus and abilities ll need im taking time preparing myself .
POWER IS NEVER GIVEN BUT EARNED AND AT A PRICE (THE PRICE IS VARIABLE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT).WHOEVER WEILDS KNOWS ITS USE HAS CONSEQUENCES .ITS NOT A GIFT TO BE GIVEN BUT A TREASURE TO BE EARNED BY WORKING TOWARDS IT.
TAKE IT FROM A PRACTISING MAGICIAN, START SIMPLE THEN WORK YOUR WAY UP .
AND WHEN YOU TASTE POWER HOWEVER SMALL YOULL UNDERSTAND .
HOPE YOU GET MY POINT ,AM NOT CRITISING YOU JUST CLEARING UP SOME THINGS SIMPLY SO YOU CAN SEE THE TRUTH AND DECIPHER FOR YOURSELF.
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Power burns the flesh ,it keeps you awake at night ,power talks as it can take form ,power manipulates ,power is an aspect so ever changing .
Summoning a demon no matter from what realm or which demon/spirit or its rank is just nothing but as basic as 1+1 .its like a baby walking for the first time.
This debate is mostly because few magicians really know what power is or how it feels inside you .Many don’t realize having a demon do your bidding is different than asking the demon to grant you power to do it yourself .
Many debate as to if Lucifer and Satan are the same entity or originated from one body ? (Why don’t they summon him and ask )
Do you know their is a technique Satan taught me to use on another demon to force him to say the truth ,then afterwards I used it on Satan to ask him this question ? He didn’t like it but he laughed it off as he himself granted me this power.( I won’t disclose the answer to this that he gave as this was requirement to it but its perplexing as none including EA Koetting were right on this question),
Don’t debate ,ask for it and feel it ,but if you keep asking spirits to do it on your behalf you’ll never understand the simple question ; WHAT POWER IS ? ,HOW DOES IT COME BY ? AND WHAT MAKES THIS SPIRIT POWERFUL OVER THAT SPIRIT
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Can you pm me about this ritual and how it must be done?