Hey DK I wouldn’t stress about it… This forum has already taught me more than years of reading this that and the other, and you are one of the key contributors here who have really helped.
I think the whole energy of the forum is about seekers sharing as much information as is helpful out with those things you have promised not to talk of in spiritual agreements (not an issue for me yet). The occult Wiki project sums it up for me. And thanks for the sigil - will be printing it out and trying it!
I agree with Neophyte and Maxx, DK. And you know what, what goes around comes around. We won’t be newbies forever, we will all go off and get into specialised path workings, and once we get some power of our own, will jump at the chance to help those who have helped us! Besides, the entities you work with would appreciate the fact that your giving them a good reputation!
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Thanks man. Sometimes I wonder if I’m just putting too much of myself out there, but at the same time I want help with others who are just as serious as I am concerning their own ascent, as I have already learned so much from just being here. So thanks for saying that I’ve actually started to get a bit hesitant lately to share so much - so you’re comment is appreciated :)[/quote]
I feel the same way sometimes DK but the caliber of most people here has been enough to keep me sharing. I’ve learned a lot from your posts, thank you for putting your knowledge out there.
Thanks for the talismanic glyph, DK The Mage!
I would have loved to have it around when I started practicing Astral projection. It would have helped me a lot!
Brutus, You might consider evoking Ose (Goetia) to help you with that. I believe I recall Defectron having very satisfactory results with him.
And while I’m sure EA could & would accept you as a client on this matter, you might save your $$ for something you truly cannot resolve yourself.
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Is it possible to have EA evoke one of these entities to help us on the way to our development? On the page before Thalos’, in Kingdoms of the Flame, another two entities are mentioned.
Sastan and Paltitor.
Maybe we should focus on doing some kind of group help to evoke these entities, or one from their kingdom, as the results to the group could be quite profound and help us quite a bit on our path to ascend.
I’d ask E.A. to evoke this creature
Satagraal - Grand Demon reigning over the currents of seership,
self-projection and prophecy
…But I have a feeling some people in the group might not like that idea.
Spirits are around us all the time, and I have seen enough objects fly off my shelves to know this. But learning to see them, and spiritual sight in general is a quest many people try to master their whole lives with disappointing results.
Seeing spirits, and possessing the means to do this reliably, would no doubt make evocation much easier. And it would certainly stop us from trying to hard to make them appear.
Plus if you’re going to work on astral projection, it might be necessary to work on your spiritual sight to get the most out of it. Some of my experiences starting out were rather blurry.
That’s just my two cents, I’d like to hear what others might think. I think that seership is needed in projection and evocation as well.
Interesting concept…I was involved with something similar at another site years ago…but it turned out to be flakey as many in the group evidently were not as honest in their posting up til that time and were embellishing some abilities…so I could say the project did not work…but that is not the case on this site, I do not feel…
So after the FWB cycle has run through the course…we could start another one with everyone banding together each night and trying to go and pull out one person for two nights and see what kind of results we could get. Who knows what would develop?
Yes Frater, I’m getting some tingling sensation in my third eye when I do energy work, but it is a slow process. I am almost on the verge of getting into a good trance state, some days are better than others though. I agree that once these two practices are honed, my scrying/OBE will be that much easier.
Maxx, I would definitely be interested in joining that work group. I like the idea of an entity helping me with an OBE and I think evoking for others every couple of days or so will be great practice.
I was looking for the spirits mention by those in most of the responces, I have the illustrated goetia by aleister are you guys using a different book??
Hey I just came across this thread. I would like to clear a couple of points up about pulling people out of their bodies. First of all every person I’ve helped leave their body has been connected to me by blood, love, friendship or extreme lust. (see astral sex thread). Second we were sleeping at the same time and both had intentions of interacting on the astral plane. Other times I was in close proximity to the person, say sleeping at my grandparents house and meeting my grandpa on the astral. (we both recalled the event the next day)
That being said I’d like to take astral travel to a new level. Set up a meeting point for those of us who can travel, and possibly uniting as a group in an astral temple. We could summon a demon like Ant’harr’atu to help us on this venture. For those who are still learning to astral travel we can attempt to make contact and pull the person out. I’m down to experiment if you are.
ZachD555
Edit: I’m also interested in sharing practical ideas and techniques for achieving exit.
Hey Zach…funnily enough after a long period of this going quiet I was talking to someone here on the forum about this the other week and we were still talking about the viability of working on pulling people out. I feel a bit awkward about it as I am only occasionally lucid dreaming so I am one of the ones who could do with a pull up!
That said once I am - hopefully - in a position of astral travelling with any amount of confidence I am completely in support of creating an astral temple for this group and also helping brothers and sisters out… Great idea man. I would be surprised if EA doesnt run with this in the Projection module when it comes out…
I’ve been mulling over the idea for an creating an astral temple and meeting place for members of the group. I also have an idea I want to test for pulling out other members who are using BOA exclusively. Those who have not reached a full projection yet.
As far as entities to help with soul travel, I would evoke Eriesh’taetohl and Ant’harratu to start with. Sleeping with Ant’harratu’s sigil under my pillow was a very helpful experience. I would recommend it to you.
Another thing I’ve been trying lately is: Just prior to falling asleep, when my mind and body are totally relaxed, I consciously try and project images to the back of my eyelids. It’s like little mini dreams, or dream images in front of my eyes. I know this is linked to scrying as well. Though it is more vivid and encompassing with the eyes closed. It’s led to a strange sequence that’s not quite dreaming and not quite daydreaming either. Somewhere in between, where conscious and subconscious merge but one is still dominant and exit has not occurred fully. I’ve encountered several of the BOA spirits in this state, which is why I mentioned the above spirits as helpers. They are easily viewed here and capable of explaining mysteries to you and taking you on vision quests. Another practice I’ve been working with is keeping one of the gateways drawn on my mirror. I’ve had an experience before, when I was fully exiting my body, where I jumped into a mirror. I was suspended in total blackness for several minutes, until I fell out the other side of the wall. Crazy right? Now I have a gateway waiting so I can jump through it once I have another full exit.
Which leads me to my final point. Achieving a consistent exit. A method I was using rather frequently was popping a xanax or some Powerfull HGH tabs. This increases the lucid dreaming state, and natural tendency to exit your body in a way that I have yet to match with conventional means. I am working through a series of exercises, like the one I listed above and also the chakras meditation EA gives in QAV. Actively shifting my conscious mind through my chakras and into the floor or up above my head. I’m having success now shifting my conscious to the whole of the room when in thetan trance. But I have not achieved a hardcore, full exit where I can see, hear, touch, taste, and fly like I’ve been able to do through the deepest of dream states.
So I’m at this very interesting intersection of abilities. Once I’m out of my body there are certain things I know to do. While I’m conscious I can take myself very close to the point of exit, where visions occur but not escape my body that way. Once I master that tiny step where I can guarantee an exit any time I want, then I’ll be able to pull out anyone and create a functioning astral temple.
Okay, anyone else interested in trying an experiment? Redcircle, Virdon jinn, Defectron, DKM, any FWBI or II guys interested? Soundwave? Anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller?
I’m waiting for “The Complete Works” so I won’t have BOA 'til Feb but I think your idea is a great one, Zach. Ordering this week.
I would certainly be up for the experiment though. My AP skills are pretty non-existent apart from the occasional closed eyed visual of my room. I tend to mentally project or perceive the astral with some regularity but I wouldn’t say it’s totally under my control or anything. Definitely something I need to work on.
eh my best friends sisters boyfriends brothers girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid whose going with this girl who saw Ferris pass out at thirty one flavours last night! hehe…
Okay man…I have not evoked Eriesh’taetohl or Ant’harratu yet, I will do this weekend then which is probably when I will have the time next to attend to evocation… And will try the back of the eyelids visualisation too all week…Mind you I am out so fast its scary…you musicians get too much time to laze around in a daydream doped out your head…
Id be interested in helping with this experiment. Im also in the process of coming up with a constant set of techniques also. And since im always having these mini-sleeps Im trying to come up with with a quik-exit method also.?
Glad you guys are interested. I am preparing evocations for later this week and will get back to y’all with the results. I’m very excited about this project. I’m hoping that we will all have a consistent method to achieve astral projections.
If you’re someone who falls asleep quickly, try setting an alarm for roughly 3 to 6 hours into your sleep cycle. experiment to find when you are waking yourself up from the deepest dreams. You should be groggy and immediately go back to sleep. Set it to go off every 15 minutes or so after that. Keep dropping into sleep then coming out of it. This may take several days but you’ll eventually become very aware of what it feels like to enter and exit sleep. The point where thetan trance becomes delta sleep seems to be the real key to astral projection. I think exit is best achieved at this point, or through the dream state.
Good luck and let me know if it works for you.
Also I’ll be moving this to a new thread. Look for “Traveling Without Moving” under soul travel.
If you place a sigil under your pillow, are you likely to meet the demon when you seperate and be guided by it? Ive had a couple of successes with getting out of body by not moving upon first awakening, then employing an exit technique… (the trick being to ‘remember’ not to move or even open your eyes when waking). In order to remember, I usually have to read up on it while going to sleep and even ‘rehearse’ the exit techniques once im in bed.
The problem for me while lucid dreaming is that when I am aware enough to make the choice to try an exit, I usually don’t because Im enjoying the dream too much… stupid I know but my mind and personality seems different in my dream state, and what I want when Im awake isn’t always what I want when I become lucid in a dream… if that makes sense.
Anyway, Ive never used a sigil before though I’m happy to give it a shot and when the group starts with this project I’ll definately join up.
Excellent! heh
I’ve actually started to get a bit hesitant lately to share so much - so you’re comment is appreciated :)[/quote]
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