It is no secret Earl Raum can destroy a persons life and make them suffer great loss.
However, taking money from the enemy and giving it to the sorcerer. sounds really juicy!!!
So I ask for a house. the target will lose a house and I will subsequently obtain one??
Any thoughts or experience in this?
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Just because a spirit can make someone âsuffer a great loss,â it doesnât mean it will then lead to a material gain for the magician. It usually doesnât work that way.
Also, with this kind of open ended request, you donât get to choose what kind of loss that will be. Thatâs up to the spirit to decide. Keep in mind that suffering is individual and not everyone will feel loss over the same thing. While most people might feel a sense of loss over the death of a loved one, for example, losing a home or money may not engender the same feeling.
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Itâs not so advised to ask for such a specific effect, and the power of Raum donât work like that, itâs to steal the abundance of a competitor (not an object or property) so you can for example steal the clients of your enemy to your store and other things. There are better spirits in Goetia to suck the good things of a persons life and give it to you, what comes to my mind are Gaap, Valefar, Haagenti and Shax.
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the loss suffer differs for every individual. i totally agree with this. my question is due to the description that i see few times such as âsteal treasure out of kingâs housesâ and âtake money from one person and give it to the sorcererâ (goetia guide). which this ability is not much utilized from what I observed.
Hence my question regarding whether the target would lose an amount of wealth while the sorcerer would gain an equivalent amount.
thank you for your insight, it was greatly appreciated. 


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Valefar would be vampirism. do you siphon from chakras?
i am actually not familiar with Haagenti and Shax as spirits that would siphon.
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Iâm not a vampirism type guy, I just use it in case to make a curse stronger. But you can use it to deplet the chakras of people
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any tips on depleting chakra?
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First you imagine the Chakra of the target spinning in a clockwise motion, you then start sucking the light of the chakras, just imagine sucking pure light (no shadows), then as you are depleting imagine theyâre becoming colorless and they start spinning counterclockwise. Start sucking first the lower ones, there are chances that if you start sucking the Sahashara they energetic system will start protecting the target and shielding him, so go sucking all the lower ones up to the Vishuddha, when all of them are depleting them start slowly all the Anja Chakra then at the last start sucking the Sahashara.
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priceless informationâŚ. one that i have been wondering for a while.
a practice i have done in the past is to siphon from the 3rd eye and crown. siphoning throat chakra resulted in me having sore throat. and that is consistent for a few times.
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Besides what Mrkeleton mentioned I just wanna add that a practitoner should probbaly (definitely?) filter the energy. It way safer to filter the energy before you take it in. 
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Yeah, the thing about only sucking pure light from the Chakras is to help filter negative energy, but thereâs no foolproof way to use vampirism without changing yourself in some way with the energy of the target.
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Definitely, and even then itâs dodgy.
You get a mix of everything they are and have. If theyâre in a bad mood, you can get that bad mood, if they have cancer you can get that too. This is why qigong therapists are taught to not even breathe in when working on someone elsesâ energy, itâs very dangerous.
My first foray into any kind of magick or spirituality was through qigong therapy training, which si how I know. And knowing how to read energy and what to look for, and being abe to read my own energy and see how itâs changed when cultivating qi, and having seen my own teachers pick up a cancer this way (which they healed with qigong and surgery both) then I would never ever do this. The cosmos is a clean and abundant source, thereâs no reason for it.
If I want to drain a target, I drain them into the ground, breathing out, not into me.
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Hi there, if you are a salesperson, how do you permanently block your competitors from stopping your sales and sales calls from coming in? How do you stop them PERMANENTLY from re-directing your abundance to them?
What? I am a seller in an esoteric shop, at the downtown of my city. Itâs not a big corporation, and we also donât have many âcompetitionâ in my city, most of the âwitchâs shopâ in my country are those of Umbanda and Quimbanda religion, and there are people that donât like them so they go buy in our shop. We do not use sales call nor something similar, since we found it very predatory to go around calling clients to buy your products. Iâm from Brazil, so things are very different here.
To help you, I am recently practicing magick using the 40 Servants of Tommie Kelly . There are Servants in this system that can help you stop your opposers and to have more recognition in the media and fame. Give it a try.
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