The vision is about communication and stress, this dream is a message to try to restore your balance and confront the issues you are experiencing and get rid of something unpleasant. Maybe that refers to something you did or said, and now you want to erase that event completely. In some cases, that can be something you are perhaps refusing to admit to.
In the interest of learning and bettering my own craft, would you mind telling me how you came to these conclusions - which parts of the dream mean what? I’ve never had much opportunity to talk to others who work with dreams, so I would really appreciate it.
-Chii
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It’s no problem, and I hope you’re able to find what it means to you. But also remember that not all dreams have an important meaning, and to not stress over it if it isn’t clear to you right away. If it takes some time to figure out, that’s alright.
-Chii
Your visions or trance state dreams are messages and symbols being sent telepathically to your mind, from beyond the veil.
Many demons use symbols as a way of communicating there identity, or a message of something they wish to communicate, the deity uses colors as an identifier and assorted clothing, facial features to convey a message, announcing there presence and that you have been heard as well as verbal statements.
His vision is don’t fear my message, it is my gift to you, one of prescience.
When you receive a sign from spirit and you’re not sure of the meaning I recommend asking them! If the presence of the spirit is unnerving, sit down and ask them who they are and what are they doing.
Take a few deep breaths and sit in silence for a few minutes; ponder the ritual or deity in question, the answer is likely to come right then and there. If it doesn’t however, wait and you may get a response within several weeks.
Many signs and symbols given by a spirit are universal and can be seen across many different traditions. Ask them and find out.
In this case you have two friends, a tall woman you hugged, talking, communication and relationships. Than the real heart of the messsge her mouth opens, again communications and her hair braid comes through her mouth, something unpleasant, stressful and personnal. All symbols of communication and stress.
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Nod Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me, including the background information. Would you also say all dreams come from spirits/demons? Or that there are different kinds, and only some are messages?
-Chii
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Great question. Not all dreams are visions, some are stress related and are not associated with a ritual or deity but come from your subconscious mind, alerting you that your concerns or worries are taking hold. Try to focus on the details of the dream or vision and find the meaning of the message and you will find an answer.
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Thank you again, that makes perfect sense to me. But, how do you tell if a dream is a message or not? Is there a particular feeling to it?
Also, I’ve had a theory for a while that the subconscious is, in some ways, tied to another plane or what could be called the collective unconscious, and that some subconscious “symbols” come through in this way, but others are only related to your own mind and nothing external. No one is quite sure why dreams happen or how the mind is able to conceive of them, and the subconscious is very poorly understood. I was curious what you thought of this idea, and how you see things. I’d love to compare theories.
-Chii
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This woman has visited me before I see her a lot and often times when I’m not engaged in sexual activity or watching porn so there is a pattern but Law I admit there are no symbols or colors or any indentifiers that I can remember so because you stated that I’m pretty confident my dreams may not be from the spirit realm but whose to say I could be dense
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She braided my hair and the hair was my own in pocket or inner cheek of my mouth and was was like what is this? She was speaking but I woke up as I was trying to hear her also I’m a lucid dream and I am aware of when I am dreaming and have somewhat control over my dreams especially in situations where I can fly
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Dreams coming from your subconscious mind usually deal with every day problems that you will encounter with no unusual features other than the stress of daily life and your minds stress relief.
Sometimes the biggest threats to our subconscious goals are inner conflicts and struggles, take time to search deep down at what our own demons may be. Sometimes it’s not comfortable to look at your faults or weaknesses, but being able to look at these problems can help you to better understand what you should do to improve, that is why our subconscious fears are important indicators from our own mind.
The power of Rasputin. On the other hand a vision sent to your mind from a spirit force, be it your higher self or perhaps from a deity or the demonic has many additional indicators with your ritual requests were heard with a message using symbols about your spiritual journey and may be a warning of challenges and obstacles that will appear or perhaps messages to improve or not transgress.
How can you tell the difference between a dream from your mind as opposed to a vision from another source can be hard to define? It is up to the receiver to decipher depending on many different circumstances. From my own experience you will know as to what preceded the vision will all be indicators.
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I’m of the belief now more than ever spirits if coming to you will leave clues or out right tell you as law clerk has told me. I have been through a lot of emotionally traumatic things the last few months and they have broken my ego down not to mention pride and financially to. With that being said I do feel I am on a path of change and am in a testing period. My faith in Christ is being tested I truly believe the occult is waiting for Me to come to the other side it’s just I haven’t initiated due to my insecurity and distrust of spiritual matters. However I am noticing this in my real life that I am more determined to conform with the world I desire the freedom to live how I want to live I don’t want to tied down materialistically but don’t also want to have what little I have taken from me. I’m starting to feel like There are no rules except the ones we make for ourselves which makes me feel guilty because it conflicts with what the word says.
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That’s very sound advice to me. Thank you for explaining, again. I can’t reply again today, but to go off topic a little, do you think past life memories can also appear in dreams? I’ve had personal experience with this, but I’d like to hear your opinion.
-Chii
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Ah… we went through the same thing not long ago. Specifically about Christ, a lot of turbulence in life, distrust of spiritual things, etc… we’ll offer you what we did to get through it, but we won’t tell you what to do. You don’t even have to read this if you don’t want to. Well, except for one thing. We just want to say that you don’t have to be “initiated” into anything occult to be invested in spiritual things. No one has ultimate secrets, and we believe spiritual subjects should be taken with a salt shaker, and to trust your personal experiences and feelings above what others say, just because there hasn’t been a reliable way to study it yet. Stay safe. But anyway.
We’ve been through an awful lot these last few years, but especially this last one has been… phoo. It’s been a thing. Aside from everything we went through, our faith in Christ was also put into question by a number of personal experiences; unrelated to the other things (our faith has always grown stronger in trying times). We started church when we were young, so we didn’t know what else could be trusted at all. We did a lot of research both on Christianity and other subjects, and spent a lot of time thinking and experimenting, and having discussions with open-minded people who were willing to see both sides of the decision. We did a lot of thinking back on what we believed when we were little, and what has always felt “right” to us, where we’ve gotten responses from the universe, and so on. It wasn’t easy, and it was a very slow process that took years of waffling about on it. We’d say we’ve been in the process for almost a decade, actually. We came to the conclusion that we always knew God/Source/Creator/etc, and that we ended up stacking Christianity on top of that. It’s a long story, but let us know if you want to hear more of it. (Warning: We are extremely long-winded.) We firmly believe that God/etc is fully loving, and wouldn’t hate someone for having doubts about what humans have written and said, or for being curious and wanting to learn about things. We believe that if God/Creator/etc truly did create everything, then everything must be theirs. So it would be impossible to choose a faction or sect against them, and if magick/spirituality/etc is indeed a part of the world like we think it is, then that would also naturally be part of God’s creation. In times past, humanity thought it would be a sin to fly, and the invention of the plane was slowed by this. The ability was there, it could be achieved, and while it could be used for wrong, it could also be used for great things - such as delivering food to a starving country for the sake of God’s work, just as one example. Many people still see music and art as a sin. In our opinion, these things, and magick, are just discoveries about the world; a science and an art that can be used by a people who have free will. Some people will do wrong with it because of that, but it isn’t the fault of the practice itself. In a similar argument, it could be said that if magick can be used to cause harm, then it should be taken from everyone and contained. But you can’t take magick away from a person, because the magick comes from them. We would say it’s an incredible natural occurrence and is pretty much what runs existence; we’re just able to harness it in small ways. In our experience, there is no actual need for ritual, objects or prayer, but all of those things can assist you with magick. It originates from your thoughts, desires and willpower, and that seems to be an inherently human trait, from what we’ve seen and heard. But, we don’t actually see Christianity as being at odds with magick. For quite a while, we practiced magick in Christ’s name and asked him for help with our practice, and that worked quite well. We only decided to stop calling ourselves Christian because we’ve been approached by other deities, and they’ve done a lot of good for us; we didn’t want to be dishonest to others and insulting to those deities by lying and denying them. But that doesn’t mean we hate or “disowned” Christ. It just wasn’t accurate to call ourselves “Christian” anymore, by the definition of the church. We believe he’s an important part of the world, but far from the only one. In the end, we did come to believe that it comes down to your own will and your passions. But we don’t think it’s possible to really go “against” God. You can obviously still commit wrong (but not sin, in our eyes), but then you just have to use your best judgement to determine what is right and wrong to do. Be wise and think through your choices carefully before deciding (be sure to do your research, too), but don’t avoid making them at all. That’s what we decided on. That and, if we’re curious about something and want to learn about it, we will. Life’s too short to let those opportunities and passions go, especially out of aimless fear (our fear was). We know that well. Those are our thoughts. Ignore them if you feel they don’t apply to you. We’re happy to hear what you have to say and think, whether you disagree or not. If you want to talk more, let us know, but we’re off for the day.
At your convenience I’d like to hear more.
No idea really, no experience or research.
There is a great thread about dreams you might want to post on the established thread, see this link:
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Sure thing. What specifically would you like to hear more about?
Your faith in Christ yet reconciliation with things spiritual and how it has changed your life.
Okay. Give us a day, we’ll get back to you.
Alright, we’re going to try to not make this a word wall, but we’ll see, hahah (note from later: it is a word wall, with lots of digressing and random, irrelevant stories) (note2: this is basically our life story, tell us if you need a TL;DR and we’ll write you one) (note3: God this is so sappy and too philosophical). Sorry it took us a bit, we wanted some time to form our thoughts for this one. (Not that they turned out organized at all anyway…)
Keep in mind all we’re doing here is sharing our personal experiences. You should not build your beliefs and views based on this, but rather on your experiences. We hope we get that across. And it’s perfectly fine if you disagree with these things, feel free to let us know if you do and we’ll have a discussion about. 
Well, like we said, it was an incredibly slow process. We’ll start from when we were wee little. This was before Harry Potter and Buffy, and we don’t think we’d even heard the word “witch” by then, because we didn’t associate with it or even think about it. (But we had probably heard of wizards, because Merlin, but that didn’t have the same negative connotation in our household.)
We had some strange habits and abilities. We loved using pendulums, and we would hold our hand completely still and see if we could get them to move - we could. We could also change direction and speed, but it took a fair bit of effort. We got better at it over time. We would feel like certain aspects of nature were communicating with us, like the wind, or animals, or the moon or sun. We could swear we could sense a friendly, but guarded presence attached to different locations, including our church. We would try to manipulate elements like changing the direction water flowed or making fire grow or shrink (without touching anything). We did that a lot with air in particular, trying to make it stronger or weaker, and that was the one we definitely became the best with, and we can still do that by instinct. We also engaged in astral shapeshifting, and that was very vivid for us. We were an empath, and also had a lot of obnoxiously accurate but ultimately meaningless deja vu, along with other “psychic” experiences that we didn’t choose or control. We had an intensely strong connection with dragons, and it wasn’t until later on that we learned that they generally represented the Devil in Christian lore. We weren’t attached to them because we thought they were evil, or anything like that. They just felt “right”? That was, for a while, the biggest reason we questioned the Bible, and we thought a lot about it. That and what heaven would be like.
By the time we were in middle school, our pastor had moved away and we had to find a new church. He had been wonderful, and that church was like a family; everyone in our family volunteered there, and we were often at the houses of other church members, and it was all great; nothing fishy went down (thank God). We were fortunate to have a really, really healthy first, and long-term impression of Christianity. Not everyone is so lucky, but we didn’t know that then.
We went through a bunch of churches, going once or twice and then changing places. Our dad, though not the best person ever, was at least very, very picky about his church. He only wanted a place more modern and open. Never figured out why, but we’re not complaining. He was definitely wary of donation fishers, at least. It was around this time that we fell out of most of our practices, deciding that we needed to “grow up” and “stop playing pretend”, and started to ignore anything that wasn’t definitely physically there. Only many years later would we figure out that our experiences were not typical to a child playing pretend. We also ignored our plurality around this time and denied our own existence as headmates, which wrecked utter havoc on our mental health (and we are still recovering from that).
So, we finally settled down into a new church. It was non-denominational, very modern and had a rock band instead of a piano, organ or choir. That kind of church, hahah. One of the pastors there was really awesome, and very down-to-earth. The other was very charismatic, and while we wanted to trust him because everyone loved him, we just felt something “wrong” with him, all the time. We’d never really felt something like that before, and we attributed it to our “pretend”, so we ignored it. That was a mistake. He ran and owned the church. Turned out he’d let the band get away with child rape in his church, and was protecting them from the police and telling them God would forgive them, but did nothing for the girl other than telling her to stay silent. The other pastor, the one that seemed alright, left the moment he found that out, and so did like 99% of the staff and congregation. He’s been rebuilding at a new church, though, and we really worry about it. We sometimes go by and play sports with our energy donor by the playground area (he recognizes us, so he doesn’t care that we hang out there even though we don’t go to church anymore) to make sure the kids are safe, because the new people there haven’t heard that story, they think it’s safe to just drop their kids off there and not watch them, and they won’t believe anyone who tells them what happened. We don’t know what he told them. Even our dad, who again isn’t the best person ever, when asked about that church will say, “Now, there’s something fishy going on, there.”
But, that was a massive digression, but one we wanted to share regardless, as it is relevant to our church experiences. It taught us that just because someone says they follow God doesn’t mean they mean it. Before that news came out, we had been e-mailing him a ton of genuine, curious questions about heaven and other things like that. We think we had once believed in past lives, but we had since decided it couldn’t be real because “it wasn’t Christian”, despite having plenty of past life memories ourselves. So we were obsessed with figuring out the relationship between life and the afterlife, and if there could be anything in between. We were a teenager at the time. He patronized us and dismissed whatever we said, to make himself look good and narrow our beliefs. We drank in everything he said like an adoring fan. Eventually he got sick of replying to us and passed us off on the other pastor; the one we definitely liked. Instead of the one-sentence responses the first one gave us, he would put time and effort into having a discussion with us, and wouldn’t force anything on us. He would quote the Bible where possible and always cite his sources. We asked him if, if all of God’s creatures were going to be in heaven, would that mean dinosaurs would be there, too? And we had quite a conversation about that, hahah. We agreed there must be. We asked him about dragons, and he admitted he couldn’t give an answer on whether or not they actually existed, and if they actually meant something evil or not, or if it was all just metaphor. We asked him about people maybe being reincarnated before the second coming. He again said he didn’t know, and was honest about the Bible not addressing everything. We were in high school by then, and had a few friends who were gay and bi. Probably thanks to that pastor, we learned that the Bible wasn’t perfect, that it had only been drawn from so many sources, and the modern translation was definitely very different from the original, and it’s easy to pick at a lot of things in it. That was when we really started questioning if it was, in the current time, a really reliable source or not. We struggled for quite a while over whether or not God hated gays, and if it was a disease or just an orientation. We’re ashamed to say it wasn’t until one of our headmates realized he was gay that we finally fully accepted it, and that was a struggle, too. We had the help of a Mormon friend who is trans and gay, and Christian. (We have never been Mormon, he’s a friend of our family). He pointed out all the things that didn’t make sense and didn’t go together, and we came to the conclusion that being gay doesn’t hurt anyone, so why would it be evil? It was at that point that we started looking at the Bible much more critically, and reread it several times. We decided that some of it definitely made sense, while other parts didn’t, and that because of that, it might be better to just use our best judgement and try to be good people instead of worrying about rules that didn’t always line up. And aside from all of that giant ramble… there was so much about us that the Bible just didn’t address. Plurality and non-human identity, for one. But we would always get signs while praying that God loved us anyway, and that we’re supposed to be how we are; it isn’t a sin. We had a very strong, personal connection with God, and we could sense them to some degree, though nothing dramatic.
By the end of high school, at the same time we were doing all this questioning, we made friends who noticed our strange abilities and traits. We made friends with a plural system, and a therian, along with a sang vampire. Because other people had the same experiences as us - and could tell what we were doing - we couldn’t just brush ourselves off anymore. We also embraced our connection with dragons. This was also when we started to take our past lives really seriously, and that had an actual effect on our daily life. We were really stressed out by it. We didn’t know what to think or believe about it, but the memories were there, and they were very strong - and they definitely weren’t from this life - but they felt like memories regardless. We’re just glad we had those friends, because otherwise we probably would have dropped out of school. We just had to figure out too much all at once, mostly in secret. But we could confide in them.
In our last year of school, we got really, really sick. Physically. Exhausted constantly but could never sleep, nauseous literally all the time but having weird cravings, pale and shaking constantly, but no fever, no virus, no nothing. We had a whole host of heart problems. We were overwhelmed by lights (sunlight hurt our skin and eyes), sounds, smells, touch and especially people. Just the presence of people. Passing by a person, it would feel like some kind of field around them was pressing on us, and there would be a crushing pressure all around us when we would be in a full classroom. It would feel physical. There was one class we felt okay in, but the teacher always kept the lights off and used a dim lamp, and it had no windows. There were also only very few students in that class; it was an advanced class that most people didn’t want to deal with, but that we wanted to be in. Because there was the space to do so and the class was really just reading high level literature, he would let us put a few desks in a row and cover them with blankets and pillows so we could lie down. We missed school so often we had to go to our doctor’s office literally every day in the afternoon to get a slip. It was more than half an hour away which was, fun, with our symptoms. (Though we did our best to at least show up to that one class every day, but we couldn’t always, and because it wasn’t the first one in the morning, we weren’t counted as attending school.) We got every test imaginable, had our blood drawn literally a hundred times in a couple years, saw every specialist in the area… no one could diagnose anything. We even had to go under a few times for invasive tests, and had all kinds of imagining done. Nothing. Our doctor decided we were faking and threw us out of the clinic. Because our family took his word as law, they treated us the same way - like a freeloader, and our needs weren’t met at all (though we didn’t even know what we needed to feel better). We felt worse every day and this went on for years. We came to terms with death back then, but not in the best way. It was more of a, “Well, when we eventually die off, at least we won’t be a burden anymore.” It felt like everyone around us was waiting for that, and it was a real dark time for us. Literally the only thing that kept us going was our faith in God. So we didn’t change our views on things lightly. It was the most important thing to us, and it felt like God was the only being we could trust, and the only one that loved us. (All our previous friends had moved, disappeared, or otherwise become busy with life, and we weren’t in contact.) God was also the only reason we didn’t just kill ourselves to end the suffering. We thought it was a sin to commit suicide (which, we do feel differently about now, but we’re still really glad we didn’t go through with it). We didn’t have the energy to do anything and everything made us feel sick, so we would just lie around all day every day and night (sleeplessly).
We were at least involved in the online therian and otherkin community then, because of some of our non-human headmates, so when we had the chance, we would check up on forums and chatrooms. We finally told everyone about our illness, and one of the members told us it sounded like vampirism, and that he went through the same thing. We were automatically skeptical (and we hadn’t taken our previous vampire friend very seriously to be perfectly honest, but we had at least heard of the idea before), but we checked the links he gave us and found Merticus’ website (notable vampire community resource). If you don’t know what vampirism is by the way, it isn’t the same (but it is similar) thing as the magickal practice of vampirism. What we have is a condition; for whatever reason, our body doesn’t have enough energy or whatever it needs to run itself properly, and we have to take it from others to be healthy. So, we looked at this website, rolled our eyes and muttered “roleplayers” and forgot about it for a year. Being no better off, we decided to look again at that point and really read what people were saying in the forum linked there. Exactly the same symptoms. Same experiences with being undiagnosable. These were posts that had been there for years already, long before we had talked about it to others. For the next couple years, we cautiously toyed with the idea that we might have vampirism. We realized we had had some of those same symptoms in our youth, for as long as we could remember, such as getting tired quickly and not doing well in sunlight. Being able to sense energy around us. Etc. That was very common in the vampire community, as it’s believed that people are born with this condition, and then go through a very rough patch with it usually about around the end of puberty (not the same for everyone), and after that point, you have to feed to maintain your health, or the consequences will be horrible. Even when we finally decided that was probably the issue, we thought it would be a sin to take energy from anything - that it would be unnatural, and wrong to weaken something else just so we could feel better. When things were finally just too bad a year after that, we caved in and tried just feeding on general nature energy. We felt a little better. We kept doing that every day. We had been advised that if we had been without energy for so long, that we needed to ease ourselves into it, like a starving man eating only a tiny bit at first to regain his strength before he can handle a full meal. So we kept up that practice for a year, and our health steadily improved. We could sit outside. We could leave the house. We could go for short walks. In the next couple years, we met our first energy donor (a person who is educated about vampirism and consenting in letting a vampire take their energy on a regular basis for the sake of the vampire’s health). We experimented with feeding on them and relearning energy work. After a lot of discussion with donors and the vampire community (there are several Christian vampires), we didn’t understand how we could have thought treating an illness could be a sin. It turned out feeding on someone didn’t hurt them unless it was done way too much, but there were ways to mitigate that. The vampire community had to learn ways to be healthy without harming others over the decades they’ve been organized, so we learned everything we could. We still struggled with why we had vampirism though. Again, after long-term prayer and questioning, we got more signs that we’re supposed to be this way. We eventually came to accept that vampirism isn’t only a sickness, but rather just a different way of being, with different needs. Because after getting more donors and having a ring of them, and being on a strict feeding schedule (and doing other forms of energy work to maintain our well being), our health reached a peak we had never had at any other time in our life. We had abilities other people didn’t have naturally. We took up parkour and excelled at it, and trained intensely for a long time. We were just different, not necessarily sick. Our previous logic had been like saying being human is a sickness because we weren’t eating food, so we would have negative symptoms all the time, and that it must be a sin to eat food because you have to harm animals and plants to maintain your own health. But that’s just the way the world is. It’s just part of survival, and that, to us, is definitely intentional. All things need energy in some form or other to exist, that’s just how it is, and in our mind, that’s how God made things. There is balance to things. You give, you take. Etc. Something will take you eventually, and there’s nothing wrong with that. We just believe in not taking in excess, for no reason other than being greedy.
So, by the time we were a regular participant in the vampire community, we realized that we were already practicing “the occult” just by being a vampire at all. Energy manipulation is a form of magick, we would say. All our new experiences, research and learning had also reminded us of our childhood and everything we did back then. We started to experiment more with magick, though we only had a few snippits from members of the vampire community to go on. We found that the more we did, the less we needed to feed, and that was what others experienced, too. We do still need to feed, that will never fully go away, but the more we work our own energy, the more it seems to be worth to our body. Expending it, however, is different. Then we need to fill that void. But that can easily be avoided by just not spending our own energy, and instead using nature, elemental, deity, etc energy. Oh, and we also used to ask God/Jesus for their/his energy three times a day to supplement what we fed on. That was always nice. It’s already been several years since all this.
So… we basically naturally fell into the process of practicing magick, partially out of necessity. We physically benefit from doing anything with it at all, and we think that may be why we were naturally drawn to it when we were young. It may have done something for us that we weren’t realizing back then. Throughout all of this, we never lost our faith. Weird, we know. It was when we met our current donor, and began to fully realize the implications of all our experiences that we really thought over what we believed.
Another thing we did when we were little (and we mean real little) was research all sorts of gods from other cultures. We were fascinated by them, and felt instinctively drawn to respecting them and showing them the love and care we gave to God. We saw nothing wrong with it, and could swear we could feel their energy, too. We wanted to get to know all of them. We saw them as part of God’s creation and therefore, kind of, sort of, as aspects of God. Just different spirits with different jobs and different things to govern. We were already very animistic because of what we could sense, so this wasn’t unusual to us at all. It wasn’t until we heard about idol worship and all that from the church that we started to worry about things, though we didn’t think that was what we were doing. We gave up thinking about other deities at the same time that we decided to “grow up”, roughly in middle school.
Our current donor is agnostic, but very knowledgeable on many different religions; they are very curious and open to them, but don’t follow any one. We talk to them about everything, and we can have the most honest and open conversations about… anything. They helped us develop our current, healthy skepticism (not judgement), and have helped us experiment with magick, accepted our beliefs and experiences without having to change their own. They were a real eye-opener on how to treat other people, which we didn’t learn about in church. They felt no need to force us to change, and didn’t think there would be any consequences if we didn’t think exactly the same way. We’ve gotten to use them as a neutral, thoughtful sounding board for our beliefs and organized our thoughts that way, which was much more important for figuring out our feelings than we’d realized before. They made us feel comfortable and safe in acknowledging that we had communicated with other deities at all (which like to approach us sometimes). We realized that we weren’t scared of God judging us, but of our family, church, the world etc judging us for it. We’d gone through so much with God, and we’d come to the belief that we were meant to be plural, have vampirism, have past lives, practice magick, etc. This just felt like a natural extension of that, to us, as we had always felt drawn to it and nothing bad had come of it.
Perhaps the one thing that helped us trust that this would be okay with God the most (aside from just praying and asking, which we also did) is that some of our headmates were not the best of people in their past lives, and did not do the best of things in said past lives. They have (and still do) feel intense remorse and guilt over those things. Some of them just can’t forgive themselves, and have prayed about these things a lot, and have gotten a lot of messages saying that God forgives them, some very dramatic. Basically, that it’s okay for them to exist, after all, they already died - and in our opinion, no one should be held responsible for something they did in a past life, that’s just unreasonable (unless they keep trying to do it in this life, but that goes without saying). They’re obviously better now for it, and have really learned to be better. So… we’ve thought to ourselves that if God can accept those people, what could really be wrong with practicing magick and talking to other deities? We’re not hurting anyone by it, and do our best to make sure we don’t. Basically, it straightened out our priorities. Those headmates know what they did was wrong, and don’t want to do it again - and again, they’re dead. They’ve served their time/had their punishment, and as far we know, they didn’t choose to have another life here (none of them are from this world, by the way). We know the important thing is not to be harmful (but it is important to defend yourself! We mean being harmful as in hurting someone without reason), and since we’ve also come to see God as a Creator of every world that our headmates are from (though they didn’t all believe in anything in their past lives, and there wasn’t a Jesus at all in a majority of those worlds), and therefore basically owning everything, we just don’t see why deities would be a bad thing; how they could be in opposition to God.
We see humans as having free will, and having the ability to do whatever they want, wrong included. But we would also say that was something given to them by God, so even though they can do whatever they want with it, we still think that it is a natural part of the world. Not necessarily a good one, but natural. (And if you think about how nature is, it isn’t all sunshine and roses.) Basically, we think the world is a difficult place to get by in, and can be very cruel and painful, but that that’s just how it is, and that we can’t change the fundamental cycle of things, and that that’s okay. That does not mean we’re accepting of crime or anything like that - we still want to stop wrong where we can. But we think there is value in suffering. But again, that doesn’t mean we want everyone to suffer, nor that people who cause suffering should get away with it. After all, if people are going to go out of their way to put even more suffering in a world that already has plenty, shouldn’t they get the full dose of it? Karma, and all that. We’re saying there’s a balance to things.
In summary of the last paragraph - we think existence is a level playing field and there are no rules. We personally prefer to try to do no harm where possible, but harm is necessary sometimes, to stop greater harm. The key then is in thinking hard about what is and isn’t truly causing harm.
On another note, it could be argued that all deities are man-made constructs. Godforms, if you will. Basically extremely high-level tulpae. But even then, they would still exist in some sense. Computers are also man-made, but it isn’t considered a sin to draw on them as a resource and use them. We’re not saying deities are tools; it’s just a metaphor to get a point across.
We also don’t think it matters what you worship, because in our minds, God made everything and is in everything, and therefore no matter what you feel fits you, you’re still worshiping God. And after all we’ve been through with God, and still accepting us after everything we thought must be sinful, we just cannot imagine God turning people away because they don’t know about God, or because they see God in another form and still do their best as a person. It doesn’t line up with our experiences and personal relationship with God. We think the church made that up to control people and gain members.
Probably because of that sort of mindset, we’ve also come to believe that you were given your passions for a reason, and you should pursue them. We are more passionate about magick right now than we have been about anything in our current life. And as we already established magick is a natural part of our daily life because of past lives, vampirism, etc (and we believe energy is just an aspect of everything and magick is harnessing said energy), we want to see what we can do with that. We want to study it in a very scientific sense and see what we can learn about the world from it.
So yeah, it was quite a process for us. It didn’t happen overnight, but rather has just been the culmination of experiences over the years. We know we’ll never be done trying to figure things out for us, either.
We hope that helps. Hearing about what other people have been through helps us to think over things again, too. But again, don’t let us choose for you. That’s not the point here. If anything, all we would tell you is to experiment with what you want to try, communicate with God and see what you’re told. See if anything happens. We just don’t see what’s wrong in trying, so long as you’re definitely not trying to hurt someone for no reason. But again, we can only give you our opinion, not law or fact. It’s up to you to decide what feels right to you.
Hello, all of the above was written while we were blendy. I’m Derek, nice to meet you. I just wanted to add my two cents, since I was Christian in my past life and still consider that to be my own religion.
As a Christian (and a doctor, in my past life only - I’m not qualified to give medical advice now), I’ve always been fascinated by the utter complexities of creation, and just how much we don’t understand. I’ve always been excited to learn more, about anything I can; that’s how I’ve always worshiped God, by figuring out how things work, the beautiful processes behind everything. Studying the human body tends to give a unique perspective on things, as the deeper you look the more complex and nuanced things are. No one quite knows how the soul interacts with the body, or how spiritual events occur. That, in particular, fascinates me, and I couldn’t be swayed to believe there’s anything wrong with curiosity about what God has made and learning more about it. If anything, I would say willfully remaining ignorant - especially when you feel driven by curiosity - is more of a sin than exploring it. I know I would feel insulted if I created all this and no one wanted to look closely at it. I would appreciate people marveling at it. Just my thoughts, take them or leave them as you like.
-Derek