Does Use Of Pornography Harm One's Magick?

[Lady_Eva]

@anon47923162

If it can be managed but history has taught that a high price is pain in blood for such attempts. Is the price worth it?

You said as much yourself:

@anon47923162

People that are harmed have in the end chosen that position and are as capable of ending it if they take their will into their own hands and start applying it.

… Everything is a web of choices and consequences and everyone has a choice and everyone can change their fate

… Harsh and possibly cold and heartless as this seems its just the way things are until people change it for themselves and stop choosing to be subject to the sufferings of existence and instead strive to partake the gifts that are waiting.

Were witch-hunts okay because the really smart witches knew how to hide, and only idiots got caught?

One can extend that kind of thinking to all kinds of things.

Moving on:

@anon47923162

Yet people are aware of and able to instinctively resist many such methods without seeming prior knowledge.

Then why do any people get addicted to things they have been assured are not addictive?

@anon47923162

This is inherently false as not everyone is having bad outcomes and likely not all those bad outcomes can be traced back to porn and not the personal decision of the person themselves.

Not everyone, but people who cross certain thresholds of use, which they are not made aware of in advance with porn, all suffer more or less predictable outcomes, and as with both sissy-brainwash and bimbo hypnosis, people seem to be getting something completely different than they expected, which was safe and free-will fun.

@anon47923162

Next you will want to use some analogy of what if it was a child.

No, literal children are finding porn and getting addicted to it, this is not hypothetical or pearl clutching drama. But that’s a whole other topic to do with access to smartphones etc.

@anon47923162

which says a lot for your psychology that you feel like they need to be protected from their own choices and not be free to experience.

You’re the one drawing lines between the “strong,” who can do things that are habit forming and not get addicted, and the “weak” who need to suffer until they are destroyed, as stated here:

@anon47923162

If one lacks the control they will always be slaves even if of their own devices imprisoning themselves in fear of the influence of others.

Moving on:

@anon47923162

You play a game walk into a hallway full of traps that keeps killing you. Eventually after many attempts you have memorized the pattern intuitively and can pass without harm. Life is much the same on a much large scale or at least larger to our own perspective which you limit yourself at.

Or, you just deal with the people laying the traps, and proceed to not have to spend several lifetimes entirely about healing from the effects of their actions.

@anon47923162

You cannot choose one over the other without tipping the scales towards saying one group of people is more important.

But you claim the strong are more important than the weak, and that the weak must suffer, as stated:

@anon47923162

People that are harmed have in the end chosen that position and are as capable of ending it if they take their will into their own hands and start applying it. Perhaps they don’t escape in one lifetime sure…

Back to this reply:

@anon47923162

… but then again you have anti-vaxxers

Are all vaccines all good all of the time, and without limitation?

@anon31277086

Ah, but are you “educating” them… or is the nazified nanny state oppressing them and taking away their right to choose

Letting people know porn has adverse effects has led to the NoFap movement, which is where we came in.

I can’t take “nazi” seriously as a concept in a debate, because that’s a political party that ended in 1945, any more than I can enage with being accused of being a Romulan Battle Captain, the reincarnation of Mr Hyde, or part of the Umpa Lumpahs.

Unless you have good cause to fear me and my Schutzstaffel are about to break down doors and remove modems, delete “Research” folders, etc., this analogy just evokes a whole range of fallacious argument tactics.

Nazi power was state-owned and enforced by law, I am just someone trying to point out that porn may harm magicians and may have adverse consequences. Please keep this proportional, and realistic, lest I accuse you of aiming your Armada of battleships/Mongol hordes at me… or something.

(But if you want to bring up stereotypical nazis, I am not the one suggesting the weak deseve to die in this topic, so whatever.)

@anon31277086

Are you a well-intentioned person who knows better, or a pushy, judgemental prude with nothing better to do than harsh other people’s buzz and try to tell decent regular folks how to live their lives?

My concern is education, I covered that above. And I hope that wasn’t a personal attack.

Because we’ve had a rollocking good debate here, and so far kept things entirely civilised.

@anon31277086

“You’re using agressive social engineering tactics to take away people’s right to choose.” say the hamburger joints and cigarette companies with their aggressively R&D’d social engineering tactics and products tailor-made to cause addiction and thus inhibit free choice.

Precisely, those who fear knowledge and education, who lie about their tactics, motive, methods, and intent, are usually trying to fuck with our free choice and make us do something we wouldnlt want to, if we havd that information.

@CyberLord

Ok.

Sexual art ok.
No porn.
I understand, Madame @Lady_Eva.

Alrighty.

[ And, the lonely mage, Cyberseeker walks in the dusty, arid wasteland with his trusty smartphone fearing the mighty power of the wise sorceress Lady_Eva. ]

Timothy wrote that.

[anon47923162]

@Lady_Eva

Were witch-hunts okay because the really smart witches knew how to hide, and only idiots got caught?

One can extend that kind of thinking to all kinds of things.

Is performing magick in a society that does not allow it ok?

@Lady_Eva

Then why do any people get addicted to things they have been assured are not addictive?

Because they still have to learn as I said later with the metaphor of a hallway of traps and quite clearly not everyone has the same level of intuition or ability but if we held ourselves back so all are on equal setting well… that sounds like certain ideologies that tend to end really badly.

@Lady_Eva

You’re the one drawing lines between the “strong,” who can do things that are habit forming and not get addicted, and the “weak” who need to suffer until they are destroyed, as stated here:

I never said destroyed. I said until they learn from their weaknesses and failing to grow strong. One life ending does not mean destroyed it just means starting a new life, a new game, or even moving to an entirely different setting.

@Lady_Eva

Or, you just deal with the people laying the traps, and proceed to not have to spend several lifetimes entirely about healing from the effects of their actions.

Yet are you healing from the effects of the trap or from your own failings that left you vulnerable to it? You learn how to use matches but set your house on fire should the person who sold you the matches be blamed? Or should you learn to be more careful with fire? A few lifetimes is not that long on the upper end of things. Once again time is a rather subjective matter of perception and our view of time in these bodies is far different than when we are free of them. This can be experienced just in the process of mental and astral traveling. There is no time limit ultimately except those we set for ourselves.

@Lady_Eva

But you claim the strong are more important than the weak, and that the weak must suffer, as stated:

Are they though or they both as important and the only deciding factor is what each person sees as most important and who wins out in the end. History is written by the victor and the weak do in time become the strong. To think one group is more important just because it seems to be the victim at the moment does not mean the other is necessarily in the wrong. Though if it to your view then how are you going to resolve it effectively without creating even worse problems for yourself at the very least?

@Lady_Eva

Are all vaccines all good all of the time, and without limitation?

Is believing the earth is flat a good thing all the time? Or is it only good if it can serve the purpose of showing a different perspective or as a model for an experiment or exploration of thought?

@Lady_Eva

weak deseve to die in this topic, so whatever.

Someone sticks a fork in the wall socket I say what comes next is pretty well deserved. A tyrant oversteps his bounds and pisses everyone off at once. What comes next is pretty well deserved for those mistakes. Not knowing any better does not work well as an excuse in life. Not paying attention to the signals of your own body or mind is quite akin to this. If there is a problem there are warnings of it that are readily noticeable unless you willfully ignore them. This goes for mental conditioning as well. I could also make a natural selection argument with this. We are not above natural cycles just because we are slightly more intelligent.

@Lady_Eva

Precisely, those who fear knowledge and education, who lie about their tactics, motive, methods, and intent, are usually trying to fuck with our free choice and make us do something we wouldnlt want to, if we havd that information.

Ultimately the person decides if they want to watch porn or not. How often are we told something is good for us but we just don’t do it anyways? How often are we told there is great gratification in something but we don’t bite the bait? Very often. There is also already a general knowledge on the risks of porn people ignore already for that matter same with tv and every other medium.

@Lady_Eva

Because we’ve had a rollocking good debate here, and so far kept things entirely civilised.

Sultitan_Itan:

Yes this has been quite fun hasn’t it.

[DemonMonk]

It’s not that hard to make a few friends who’re down for casual sex.

I’m not looking for a relationship. If satisfying a biological urge is my sole reason for interacting with a person, let’s be efficient about it and get straight to business. The whole song and dance of the casual conversation, the seduction, and all that entails the final reward is a waste of time.

[Lady_Eva]

@anon47923162

Is performing magick in a society that does not allow it ok?

I asked you if witchhunts were okay with you because you have this “only the weak fall down, and they deserve it” argument going on.

I think education and knowledge are always good, but if I think magick is harming someone, I will try to encourage them to acquire balance or find a less destabilising paradigm. I have done that countless times on here.

@anon47923162

Because they still have to learn as I said later with the metaphor of a hallway of traps and quite clearly not everyone has the same level of intuition or ability but if we held ourselves back so all are on equal setting well… that sounds like certain ideologies that tend to end really badly.

Most ideologies start out with good intentions, and ALL have some positive aspects, but manufacturing deliberate traps (or knowing they exist and not warning someone who’s unaware) seems purely malicious.

@anon47923162

I never said destroyed. I said until they learn from their weaknesses and failing to grow strong. One life ending does not mean destroyed it just means starting a new life, a new game, or even moving to an entirely different setting.

Agian, is the right to create even the most harmful and addicting porn (or food, or whatever else) to be totally protected from criticism, while people must suffer and die as a result?

@anon47923162

Yet are you healing from the effects of the trap or from your own failings that left you vulnerable to it?

The failing is having a society where people who set traps are protected, while people who fall into them are deemed to be less important.

@anon47923162

A few lifetimes is not that long on the upper end of things.

The trap-makers can surely be thrown into jail then, since it will only take them a few lifetimes of this happening to realise making traps isn’t acceptable.

Making a trap is a conscious willed act, falling into one you didn’t know existed is not.

@anon47923162

Once again time is a rather subjective matter of perception and our view of time in these bodies is far different than when we are free of them.

See Divine Paradox, above.

@anon47923162

To think one group is more important just because it seems to be the victim at the moment does not mean the other is necessarily in the wrong.

We can rationally decide whether the need to make traps for others is as important, as necessary to the maker, as other people’s desire not to spend a lifetime struggling to try and escape, failing, and having to handle the fallout over multiple lifetimes.

Again, trying for a world where setting traps for others is largely discouraged would allow us to see how that worked out.

What doesn’t kill you, doesn’t always make you stronger, or PTSD would not be a real thing (along with its spiritual analogues, soul-loss and past-life traumatic imprints).

@anon47923162

To think one group is more important just because it seems to be the victim at the moment does not mean the other is necessarily in the wrong. Though if it to your view then how are you going to resolve it effectively without creating even worse problems for yourself at the very least?

Firstly, do the trap-makers lose more if they are not permitted to make their traps, than people who fall into them could lose?

Secondly, is a society with traps everywhere a thing I find personally important to either defend, or end?

Thirdly, what seems to be the effect of allowing unlimited trap-making on the a society, does it lead to more general happiness, or more general pain?

And so on.

For example a society that gave all high-schoolers a 3-month course of daily heroin injections, then left them to sort themselves out, because heroin manufacturers wanted to create a market, may not really be very nice to live in.

Scale that down to allowing heroin ads in school, promoted by cool celebrities and with zero warning about the likely effects of prolonged use, and the parallel gets closer to what we’re talking about here.

@anon47923162

Someone sticks a fork in the wall socket I say what comes next is pretty well deserved.

So if you saw someone from a culture with no wall sockets about to do this because they genuinely didn’t understand the consequences, would you also think that was fine?

@anon47923162

Not knowing any better does not work well as an excuse in life.

Again, you defend the trap-makers at all costs, as though they alone are immune to any criticism. This is what I disagree with.

There is nothing remotely natural about modern porn, it’s availability, and the methods it’s delivered by, something which has already been covered in a link above.

If you woke up tomorrow and someone had covertly spiked your food with a highly-addicting opiate that caused suffering the moment you began to detox, and you didn’t realise this had happened until you started feeling the effects and needing more, would it still be “your own stupid fault” for not running drug tests on your food?

Or would it be the fault or the asshole who did this to you?

@anon47923162

Ultimately the person decides if they want to watch porn or not.

But they don;t know the consewuences, until now, and as long as people dismiss Nofap as mindless puritam=nism, nor can they make an informed choice.

@anon47923162

How often are we told something is good for us but we just don’t do it anyways?

Psych studies show people are more loss-averse than inclined to try and gain (will try to avoid losing a $5 note they were just given rather than try to double it, even of the odds are the same).

@anon47923162

Yes this has been quite fun hasn’t it.

Yes, I think so.

[anon47923162]

Society has always had traps and trapmakers and on the same scale as today as previously stated as most societies were far smaller in the past and used religious and spiritual versions of it to do so. It is foolish to think that the ruling classes didn’t use mass programming of even dreams to influence the mind the same as media is used today. We certainly have the capabilities now and have seen the effects in our own experiments.

What I defend ends up being the right of people to produce what forms of entertainment and media they wish whether those people be corporations or private individuals as trying to curb one usually fucks up a bunch of other people.

@Lady_Eva

So if you saw someone from a culture with no wall sockets about to do this because they genuinely didn’t understand the consequences, would you also think that was fine?

Yet we live in a culture where the risks are rather well known and just disregarded.

@Lady_Eva

If you woke up tomorrow and someone had covertly spiked your food with a highly-addicting opiate that caused suffering the moment you began to detox, and you didn’t realise this had happened until you started feeling the effects and needing more, would it still be “your own stupid fault” for not running drug tests on your food?

Or would it be the fault or the asshole who did this to you?

First I would blame myself for not sensing the difference in the food and after dealing with the consequences of detoxing would work on being able to detect such in the future. Of course I would take my own personal revenge if I did not benefit ultimately as I do prescribe to the theory of using physical stress and pain as a means to accelerate the growth of certain psychic abilities. You see such things in shamanism where near death experiences awaken a calling or certain powers. The stress triggers a survival response that can end up ultimately beneficial if the result is cultivated and yes I have put myself through a to test this. I do tend to be a masochist at times.

@Lady_Eva

But they don;t know the consewuences, until now, and as long as people dismiss Nofap as mindless puritam=nism, nor can they make an informed choice.

Perhaps because it comes across as mindless puritanism. Perhaps try an approach of granting even more sublime pleasures and certainly change it from no fap. Fight fire with fire. Porn offers pleasure and gratification. Do the same but in ways that train and cultivate the will at the same time and an exaltation of experience that makes what you are trying to warn them away from seem trivial in comparison. Give a better alternative and become more alluring. Of course that means you effectively become the same as the porn makers just selling a different drug that is better at least until someone invokes a cannibalistic demon but only a small minority would have such problems I think.

I believe quite firmly in experiencing the pleasures of the body and mind and the energy of oneself and others. So denial of porn is denying one means that may be fulfilled even if it is not my usual means it might be the means someone else commonly uses as a medium.

Offer a means of training biofeedback for example to induce the same pleasures solely by ones own will. Ways to channel sexual energy instead of losing it to porn which tends to completely offset the mental effects as the act of channeling the energy impresses strongly like a sigil to overall strengthen the energy body. Instead of trying to avoid teach people to use it as a tool or go without completely and still have the same pleasures and gratifications.

Change the means so nothing is truly lost and there is only gain to be had. Physical pleasure does not need to be pushed aside or the stimulation of the senses but simply redirect it to come from more controlled sources or to be utilized constructively. Make it a revolution in sex magick by any other name but that.

[chthonicmagus]

Pornography when becomes a crutch to feel alive does harm one’s spiritual practices and even more one’s magick. But again someone who meditates regularly will not depend on porn to feel good unless the person’s meditation is some made-up shit. Porn on the lines of hard addictions does a lot of damage to chakras, destablises them, fucks up brain circuitry and reinforces the body consciousness making the ego stronger and stronger. Such person will never attempt to do any meditation and practise any magick or at best the progress will be at a snail’s pace.

Not everyone gets addicted to porn and even among addicts there will be different levels of porn consumption. Only unfortunate souls with very bad influence from some planets will become slaves to hard addictions like porn as they will use porn to self medicate their trauma in their lives and also those who are very sensitive to negative energies around them. Almost 99% of the people globally who are addicted to porn would be from Pluto in Scorpio generation.

[seeatom]

Guess I’ll give the only solution for the brainwashing thing. FREE. Take it up a level.
The idea is to manipulate all the reprogramming currently stored in the brain. Best way of going about solving it is to use something called "sleep learning/reprogramming. BUT worst part is that it’s all in their heads. A good 90% of the suggestions couldn’t bypass into anyones subconscious. Sorry. Long term expert on the reprogramming stuff. Placebo. Or in this case nocebo.

[True_LeoSnake]

I don’t see why considering the reality of Kama Sutra especially the erotic iconography liberally dispersed throughout India, Tantric sexual practices, and of course the various forms of sex magic ancient and modern. In fact pornography can greatly enhance one’s magic when used intelligently. Pornography in it’s modern abundance is an endless source of material to make to make memes and recut into customized sigils/videos for sorcery workings.

[SeekerofK]

In my personal experience, yes. When prepping for a work or simply focusing on raising my vibe, I will fast from both food and porn.

This has yielded significant results. The fasting from food helps to raise vibration by detoxing the body(our food is trash in America, sorry patriots) and the fasting from porn is particularly useful for kundalini arousal.

[John_Wick]

Yes , it completely messes with endorphins which are used in raising vibration, usually emotional output is energy in magick, porn dulls it completely, it’s disgusting to watch when you know the goal behind it

[Dusk]

IME it does exactly what you’d expect; black magic gets easier, white magic gets harder.

[MagickVigilante]

@Lady_Eva

rosebud porn

Whassat

[Lady_Eva]

@MagickVigilante

Whassat

Search it up, Google Images.

Make sure the adult content filter is off.

[MagickVigilante]

If its anything like sissy hypno, id rather not

[MagickVigilante]

Porn is fucking disgusting, this is my opinion, and that sissy hypno shit is very dangerous

[Lady_Eva]

It’s a prolapsed rectum, which folds out (like when you take a sock off and it turns inside out) into a kind of red lump. Other porn “actors” then lick, kiss, and generally engage with this lump of flesh.

The prolapsed organ is a vector for infection and a lot of these girls are young, so the prolapse will only grow worse over time, and if they get pregnant they’re likely to have serious problems though most have probably self-eugenicised out the gene pool anyway.

This medical condition, with potentially life-threatening implications (having your insides coming out is a risk for sepsis, blood clots, and other kinds of infection) has been given a pretty name, “rosebud” by pornographers who know that if they can reel people into liking stuff no normal girlfriend will have or do, they have a mind-slave for life.

People act like porn is just natural healthy lust, but it takes a lot of mental-manipulation to get people turned on by visible pathologies of the colon.

Luckily for pornographers, the mental state people are in when looking at it, combined with the otherwise attractive look of the “actresses,” is brilliant at making the mind correlate weird stuff to sexual arousal. It’s like volunteering to become one of Pavlov’s dogs, trained to get aroused at specific signals.

Agree about the sissy porn, the whole thing is like some vast attack on human dignity and the ability to have a loving, respectful relationship with another human being.

[MagickVigilante]

During my suicidal dark times, i actually stumbled across it while browsing, here’s the thing, i did not use audio, but still the images were very powerful (perhaps because I was not strong mentally) after a bit when i realised the sissy crap crawled in unexpectedly, one night i was desperate, so i cried to Lucifer and chanted his mantra, he BURNED the suggestions away, destroyed them!

[Lady_Eva]

That’s awful, but I’m glad you got free.

I could rant on about this but honestly then someone’s just going to either get triggered about it’s political to dare criticise the mighty and benevolent porn industry, or explain how they occasionally like to watch porn and it’s no big deal, which is precisely like me saying I took an aspirin last week so anyone who’s hooked on fentanyl is either making shit up or could easily just quit.

This stuff is NOTHING to do with sex, which is why porn searches tend to become progressively weirder as people desensitise to stuff, but that’s still not completely obvious to everyone…

[MagickVigilante]

Tonight I risked relapsing due to all the crap I had to do, but I am fighting, didn’t sleep much though,