As the topic says, I’m wondering if anybody among the site, beliefs that demons have the ability to reincarnate or no as a human. Not the pure breed fallen ones. In rare cases Maybe they can anybody talking to demons. Ask them about their vessels curious to see what they would say.
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Well, it would depend on the definition of “demon”
I don’t think its possible for say… Goetic spirits or demonized gods that are part of the infernal empire to reincarnate into human beings.
I’ve heard about spirits of deceased humans that refuse to go on and keep sticking to the physical world. In order to do that they feed on the etheric energy of living human beings. Since the disembodiment and constant need of feeding on the living makes them gradually more and more predatorial and the consuming of energy that is not fitted to their system makes them sort of deformed they turn into some form of demon by that definition. Then yes, if they manage to let go they could be reincarnated.
I’m not sure where I read the above theory, I think it was something written by Max Heindel. Personally I’m also not sure I really agree or believe in said theory. I’m pretty sure, though, that I’ve butchered that theory a bit, as well ^^
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I don’t believe in demons, just spirits, which are immortal, and in the transmigration of souls. As such, our spirts may incarnate into a lot of different kinds of vessels. I have been angelic (so, technically a “demon” being “fallen” which to me means simply being human on Earth now, except I think that term is bullshit) and various types of ET before being human. My UPG implied over over 4 billion years old since my conception. I believe that Azazel with a couple of others worked together to create me (along will trillions of others at the same time) for a specific purpose related to the Earth, or a specific planet if not Earth.
Absolutely no such thing. An incarnation is something you HAVE, temporarily, it’s just another kind of experience for a spirit to engage in and not permanent and NOT what you ARE.
You have to consider why a baby religion 2k years old, which we know to be garbled and obfusscated as far as the ancient teachings go, and put a bunch of people… yea, we’re people… on a black list simply for knowing and teaching thing, would have ANY credibility in terminology or understanding of ET life.
I’s argue that it doesn’t.
So, give us a clue here, where are you coming from? You’re using a lot of very assumptive Christian language here in a very fantastical way, what is your background that makes you think “fallen” is a thing?
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Gods, angels, demons, elementals etc are all mythological masks of the spirits and the archetypes of the collective unconsciousness. In shamanism which I think the occult sciences roots from spirits are incarnated in every living including trees and plants, so when it comes to reincarnation every living goes through the cyclus of birth and rebirth. I believe we shall stop think ourselves as central to the universe. We are just animals. The universe and the spirits dont owe you 2 shit. This is also why I believe in offerings when working with spirits because by offering something they now owe you something…
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I stand corrected, it depends on your definition of demons AND your definition of reincarnation.
Why not? All sorts of entities can have a human incarnation, in my opinion at least. You’re here because you’re subscribing to a specific experience. Heck, I believe you can have multiple human lives at the same time too. I don’t see why demons wouldn’t be able to do that as well 
I believe I’ve read some disscussions on the topic on the forum already. Try looking them up.
Can I ask you what’s the meaning of “ET” and “UPG” ? And how you discovered all of that ?
I would say no because the Demonic Spirit and the Human Soul are not the same thing. A human soul has the nature of belonging to a human body. Which is why I don’t take the Buddhist variant of incarnating as other creatures seriously. For a demon to reincarnate as a human, he would have to begin as a human. If the spirit changes between incarnations, there is no continuity of being and so no RE anything. It would be transmutation of souls, not transmigration of souls. This is why I believe the body plays a role even after death, and though it’s weaknesses should be transcended, it is not meant to be abandoned. The human body has spiritual value and significance in itself. This is just my classical Aristotelian reasoning, reality could prove different, but I believe logic is a part of reality, lol.
No. If they could, then the physical realm would not be the most sought after, as stated in the Book of Azazel.
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I apologize for my poor English, the following has been translated from my native language to English using chatgpt.
I believe that it is possible for demons and beings existing on higher planes beyond the material world to descend into the material realm and become human. I know a few such wizards around me who were various creatures, including demons, in their past lives. They can easily and effortlessly summon immense power from the demon world or other realms they are connected to, without any cost. These powers naturally belong to them or are within their network of past relationships.
Some of them are directly born as humans, while others split a part of themselves to become human in order to experience the material world.
If they are coming to the material realm for the first time, their astrological charts may appear “weak” because their spirits are too “elevated,” making it difficult for them to ground themselves on the material plane. For example, they may be easily affected by supernatural disturbances, find it challenging to assimilate with their surroundings, or have delicate and fragile bodies. These issues can be alleviated through magic.
Due to their heightened spirituality, they have a natural ability to communicate with higher realms and, after death, they easily transition back to their own world through transcendence.
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However, there are various special circumstances that can prevent them from being born as humans. Creatures from different worlds can also have their own social and legal systems, right? For example, perhaps some self-proclaimed noble angelic realms have regulations that prohibit them from being born as humans because it is considered “fallen.” Doing so may violate the laws of their respective realms.
If you read 26 Daemons by Sorceress Cagliastro she explains her perspective that demons seek to be incarnated in this world as humans or something else. When they gather enough energy, they are able to incarnate. She also theorizes one reason why people don’t have success with goetic demons is that some of them have already incarnated since they’ve been summoned for so long, and have caused chaos and accumulated enough energy.
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I would be interested in knowing the mechanics whereby a demon, a bodiless intellectual power by definition, was killed. That which is spiritual is immaterial and therefore not subject to being broken down into parts, hence the immortality.
Which doesn’t make any logical sense when you factor in that others have all kinds of success summoning the Goetic demons. If some of them have supposedly incarnated and that’s why people have problems contacting them, then why doesn’t everyone have that same issue? The fact is, problems with summoning have far more to do with the magician than it does with the spirit being contacted.
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It’s also worth considering that you can summon people you know for a fact are currently incarnate, like E.A., who reports that he feels it happen like a piece of him is away for a minute. I think humans are very large spirits and unlike the limited human brain can split and focus on many different things at once.
In the work of Steve Rother, a lightworker, his model is that a spirit splits into 12 to incarnate, with 1/12 staying discarnate to act as the “higher self” and the other 11 making 11 simultaneous incarnations at once. I tried that one on for size for a good 2 or 3 years. I think there’s merit to it and still view my “higher self” as the core spirit that is independent of all incarnations, incarnation being something you do or the experience of it, not something you are… but it’s not consistent or simple as always 12 I think, and might be “<1 (in the case of some twins) or… well, more”.
It’s all theory, at the end of the day you might as well choose the theory you like the best and run with it. I call this a “working theory” so I don’t get attached to it and am free to update it as and when a cooler ideas comes along
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Definitely, just read about the phenomenon of bilocation in the lives of Catholic and Orthodox saints. This is also not dematerialization. The person seems to fall in a trance in the original location and the astral body forms matter around itself and acts in another location, physically and tangibly, then returns to the original location and the person awakens from a trance state.
There’s stories about this in the book series “Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East”. In this, those who have developed the skill leave their bodies for months at a time interacting with the world as a spirit that looks and feels completely solid and human, except they don’t eat or sleep.
Assuming this is real, which I haven’t decided yet myself, if entities wanted to do this, my question would be, why aren’t they doing it already? If they’re all that great that they’re help us develop thee skills, they have the skills, so what’s the problem? Are there rules that prohibit it?
I’m leaning towards rules, or, agreements with other kinds of entities so noone makes Earth a battleground of some kind, with super potent beings kicking the shit out of each other and the landscape like godzilla vs king kong all over the place … I’m being slightly facetious but I think it’s something along those lines of “leave the humans alone”, unless you’re going to BE one, have your memory wiped and lose all your skills and knowledge temporarily and incarnate for all intents and purposes as a regular human, and btw good luck with that.
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So interesting- consider the closeness between the Indian Siddhi, and the Irish Sidhe.
And remember the Tuatha de dannan are supposed to be in essence humans who made a complete transition. To another realm.
Maybe people do do it. And they just can’t bring themselves to share it. Hence the unseelie court etc.
Also in Aurobiography of a Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda had experiences first hand with dying and resurrected Master’s etc.
I don’t fully get this comment, I don’t see any closeness that isn’t coincidental… …and it looks closer than it sounds: there’s no “D” in sidhe, that’s an artifact of Gaelic spelling, a “dh” is silent and the s is a sh, so it’s pronounced “shee”. Mh is a v… and others… it’s a hard language to learn when you’re used to romantic language pronunciation.
I don’t think there’s a link in the etymology or linguistically (below) One comes from Gaelic, the other from sanskrit, and there seem to be ancient influences as both languages are in the IndoEuropean club, but they’re far away in time and location.
Magickally speaking I don’t see the Fae (energy beings) and Siddhas (humans with psychic abilities) as being related… I don’t expect to turn myself into a Fae by gaining Siddhis.
I think the Sidhe, or Fae are a whole other thing and they are more like Djinn, and never human. A Banshee (ban sidhe = fairy woman) is not of the Tribe of Danu.
Also in myth the Tuatha de Danaan left to go to the summerlands, Tir na Nog, so they’re not here any more anyway. But the Fae still are. And… what happens to all the new Siddha’s?
More than that, lets suppose the Tuatha de Dannan were a whole race of people with Siddhe’s: then why were they warring and why did they lose?
So, yeah I think that’s new age speculation. Others say they’re Atlanteans which I’m also iffy about even though I believe Atlantis existed, because the timing is off, it’s way too late.)
They seem to be a tribe out of Scythia that died out leaving clear traces in the historical record in place names particularly. I think given the propensity of older civilisation to deify their leaders, who were perfectly normal men, I’ve not really looked to the Danu seriously as beings of interest esoterically.
Tuatha Dé Danann means tribe of the goddess Danu, a god-like mythological race from pre-Christian Gaelic Ireland, descended from Nemed, leader of a previous wave of Irish inhabitants. Nemed was the son of Agnoman of Scythia, who was descended from Scythians associated with the Tribe of Dan. The Scythians, also known as Scyth, Saka, Sakae, Sai, Iskuzai, or Askuzai. In the 18th century, linguists noticed the great similarity between that Phoenician and the early Irish Celtic language.
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