When I read reports about occultists from my country (Brazil), I notice something interesting.
Although they worked with demons such as Azazel, Astaroth, Beelzebub and Adramelech… I notice that they rarely mention some internationally popular demons, such as Belial. On the other hand, demons such as Abraxas and Leviathan, seem to be very central.
It is possible that these entities have domains or preferences over specific regions and peoples of the world?
I have noticed that too. My feeling is it’s more like a social and cultural thing, driven by human interest rather than the other way around.
There’s often an uptick in popularity of an entity when a new book is published that involves it. Other entities seems to come in waves. Another example is Lillith, Namaah and related, we get a few people posting about them in a little wave, and then it goes quiet again for a bit.
There is a report of trending search terms on this forum, though I’m not sure if end users can see it so here’s a screenshot, there are some names that come up consistently. Here are the BALG top searches for the last year - and Sitri steals the lead by about 40% over Lucifer, though he’s about neck and neck with Belial. That probably changes year over year and month to month to some extent.
If this was a forum in South America I would expect Santa Meurte to be far more popular and that’s obviously because she’s highly revered in those countries. In Africa you might see more Lwa, and so on. Some cultures might think it was beneath the deity to discuss them in the open though.
So I would keep an eye on popular blogs, youtubers and books for the region and maybe they shed some light into who finds what entity more interesting at any point in time.
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I am a Brazilian too. And that’s a very common thing in Grimoires to have a such Daemon and Angel related to countries and continents… In Grimoire Verum there are seals that bring more power if they’re used in they country which they belong (the common seal/sigil of Lucifer is one of them)
The most famous is for Asia
The Lucifer sigil for Europe
 from Exu Omulu used for many purposes
It’s interesting that you mentioned Exus. I heard that there’s a man in Rio de Janeiro who opened a Luciferian church. It seems that he does a syncretism of Quimbanda with Satanism/Luciferianism. I wonder if they have any connections with daemons or djinns. Beings like Orixas, Archangels, Malaika (Angels of islam), Devas are often described as messengers, warriors, protectors and spiritual guides. On the other hand, Exus, Daemons, Djinns and Asuras also seem to have some things in common.
These beings don’t seem to me to be necessarily good or bad, but they deal with more hidden aspects of existence: tests, mystery, material gains, power, wisdom, pleasure, knowledge. Do you think Exus and Daemons/Djinns have any connection?
In my experience, and I’m planning to do here a more accessible Quimbanda system that also holds the original power of the egregore, is that they aren’t exactly the same just like Lucifer from Palo Mayombe (Lucero) is not the same as the Lucifer from the Grimoire Verum.
We can say that both os these “Lucifer” pull their power from the same source, but each one have other sources (“ingredients”) in their mix of energy. So Lucero is more about herbs, woods, spirits of florests and the deads than actual demons, Lucifer from Grimoire Verum have another way of acting and a different personality.
Most of the Exu Legions are ancestors spirits (spirits of dead) with in some categories (Linhas e Famílias) have some fae spirits and familiars. That means that each Exu that you contact is different to other people, even the same Exu Pimenta (Exu Pepper) that you contact can be a different depending if the other that you previously contacted is busy. That’s why there are dedicated people to actually know the background and past lives (who they were when they were alive) of them.
The only exception are the Big Three (A Trindade do Maioral), Exu 7 Encruzilhadas, Exu Mor e Exu Rei. Their “sources” being, respectively, Astaroth, Beelzebub and Lucifer. These do not have much variation, as they are a single entity that, like Daemons, can divide and be in more than one place at the same time.
Answering your question: they bore the similarities of Daemons and Demons, and the secret is that you can in fact ask the Big Three (Trindade) to turn into their other side, so you can ask Lucifer (especially if it’s the Lucifer from Grimoire Verum and Abramelin, which Quimbanda pull great inspiration from) to become Exu Rei to help you in something. But you will notice that the energy in the room will change suddenly, and even the way they’ll talk will be different and have a more “earthy” aspect, much more raw, similar to the Djinns the fire spirits.
So does this mean that some exus are spirits of the dead, and others bigger (like this Trinity you mentioned, “Exus Fontes”) would be daemons, like Astaroth, Beelzebub and Lucifer using a appearance adapted to our people, language and cultural context?
It’s not just appearance, they’re literally different, both the personality, their powers, energy… They aren’t a “mask”, the close analogy is that these spirits are like brothers and cousins, they have the same blood, but how they act is different. So Lucero is a cousin of Grimoire Verum Lucifer, and G.V Lucifer is brother from the Lucifer of Abramelin. It’s confusing, I know… But that’s how the spiritual and astral world works. A single name can have different powers, characteristics. I think that’s beauty of the Source (Tao/God) to make every single thing be so different, but at their core so similar.
I think I can visualize this. I’m somewhat familiar with some concepts in christianity that mention a similar idea, something like “one essence” in three persons, with different appearances, personalities, and forms. For me, it’s not that difficult to imagine the same essence manifesting itself as different people, personalities, and entities. Now I understand better what you mean.
I believe that something similar occurs in Umbanda, when we talk about the syncretism between Orixás and Saints/Angels.
The same essence manifests itself as different entities, with different personalities, appearances and powers. As different people. This would explain a lot.
as if the same source manifested itself through different entities, with different names, personalities, powers and energies
in this case perhaps syncretism is to trace the source that originates two or more different entities, and relate them
in this sense, each entity would be different from one another, and would have its own egregore. And the system that is the primary source of the formation of that egregore would be its “cradle”
In that case, which Lucifer would be the “cradle”? Which Lucifer holds the power of the original egregore?
The original “egregore” is a topic of debate, if you go for a more historical approach will be hard to find, because these Sources (Spirits) and ideas are with us since the Pre-historic age. That means that probably the original name that was given to that force or to the original “Trickster” and “Bearer of knowledge and power” is probably lost to time.
If you look in a more in a occult way you will see that the “modern” most close to that “source” is Elegba (basically Exu from Yorùbá people), and the division that emerges from it being: Papa Legba e Met Kalfou. He represent at the same time the divine humanity, the power of our sexuality (Kundalini and the vital force), and our power to do magick. Elegba is the Lwa/Orisha more close to us in it’s nature, and the one that most like our material plane and existence. He’s the “Master of Power” meaning that he have the keys to access the other planes of existence (mental, astral, etc…). When he arrived at Haiti his essence were interpreted in two forms, Papa Legba is his side that open the doors to the good spirits and gods, he’s the midday sun; his other side Met Carrefour is his dark side that opens the doors to bad spirits, demons and wrathful gods, he’s the midnight sun.
But for me the most close to our perceive notions of Lucifer, the spirit that is a between Demon and Angel, is the Lucifer from the book of Abramelin that teaches you how to contact your Guardian Angel so you receive authority to command Lucifer and his legions. Today that method is not more necessary if you just want to contact Lucifer and it’s Legion (it’s still useful to contact you Guardian Angel by the way) and there plenty of books that teaches how to contact the Demons of Abramelin. The other versions of Lucifer such from Grimoire Verum and The Lesser Key of Solomon is derived from that book.
like mulberry said , that in each region , each local spirit or spirits would’ve been more popular , i also suspect my connection to my patron could also be because i live near transylvania , and He has origins as a vampiric spirit
