no, there surely is roleplayers in the occult.
But,
the way it’s been discussed here,
wasn’t
“hey, let’s play tabletop games, and compare evocation expieriences.”
The concept here,
was to build a common ground on what’s possible,
and what is “fake”, or “made up” or untrustworthy.
The revelation,
was the bit about priests and spiritual people having a shared of the all,
the “creator god” in them,
but at the same time,
being at odds with others who have the very same expierience,
due to different interpretation.
Generally,
i had an urge to not be involved with the question,
however.
When something is being manifested,
you can’t physically see it,
until you hold it in your very hands.
When you do,
you forgett about the process that brought you to having it in the first place.
So,
we’re looking at invisible forces,
and trying to discern their color,
is maybe closest to how i can coin it down into a phrase.
see, UPG is considered an slight insult,
when you read topics where the term is used,
and usually means “i don’t believe you.”
That’s fine,
except that it calls the one questioned to bring evidence to the one asking.
Which still would be fine,
if it was only applying to things that are tangible,
explainable and understandable.
But we’re working with soul travel,
different planes of existance,
planetary forces,
angelic and demonic creatures in magick.
as such, the UPG,
“unverified” personal gnosis,
goes along with a certain stain of both parties of the conversation feeling worse,
and not getting along in the long run.
On the other hand,
Gnosis is ALWAYS personal.
And what does verifying really mean?
how can one person verify something,
for another?
It’s about the asking person,
to listen to the answers,
and find meaning in them.
But what i’ve seen,
was asking with an presumption of any answer given to rather be wrong,
if it’s not exactly the same the person asking already knows.
I know,
that’s not exactly the discussion LARP topic was heading.
But it spawned roughly that thought construct,
to be more often happening in discussions.
And,
in the long run,
it’s a goal for everyone here,
to both learn and share expieriences,
and be taken seriously when they do so.
On the contrary,
i saw quite a bunch of people who stick towards limitive views,
and “this or that, cannot be done”.
Since the left hand path opposes dogma,
that’s been urging me to find some good solution to bring it back to a more comfortable state for all who partake in balg.
Don’t get me wrong.
Caution and verification of spirit presence, etc. are good things,
and i also agree that Gnosis should and can be discussed upon.
Just the way it’s done could use some improvement,
maybe.
But alas,
i’m sorry i interrupted here.
Sincerely,
¥’Berion