[quote=“E.A., post:7, topic:1118”]My assumption that the pact would endure for only 90 days was a misunderstanding on my part. DePrince had told me about this long before my pact with Azazel, but my mind skipped over that detail when I went ahead with the pact.
It was not the pact that was to endure for 90 days, but the direct study under Azazel and his Nethers.
The terms of the pact with Azazel are such that I constantly look at my own progress and see how it all fits together.
Now, Bardon’s view is an error in understanding of the nature of demons. It is not a matter of the operator controlling the demon, or the demon controlling the operator, but of two intelligent and powerful beings forming an official alliance.[/quote]
if I understand correctly in TBOA your Pact with Azazel excluded working with any other demons, gods or spirits?
Obviously you are working with Spirits outside of TBOA
so how is a Pact modified if it is to continue?
or possibly I have not understood the Pact in TBOA ?
Yes they are the same…why do you say they are not ? You do know that an entity shows up differently to different persons who evoke it or invoke it right ?So what do you want to say ?
Astaroth and Astarte are the same, Tanit is just another name for the other two before…how come you get to think it is . . . not.
Oh, I don’t know - because they aren’t and you are full of shit?
You do know that an entity shows up differently to different persons who evoke it or invoke it right ?
This isn’t about visual appearances. Its about the essence of the entity itself. If you want to entertain subjectivism to that degree, then on what basis are you positing the identity of the entities that show up to different persons in different ways? Mere etymology? You’re absurd.
So what do you want to say ?
Precisely what I said, genius.
Astaroth and Astarte are the same, Tanit is just another name for the other two before..how come you get to think it is . . . not.
Which ‘Astaroth’? The Astaroth of Medieval demonology, under which the name makes its first appearance, is a demon of Hell, essentially male, and has absolutely no power relating him to an ancient Semitic fertility goddess.
So all three of them are the same, eh? And I suppose you’ve separately evoked each one, eh? And tell me, how would you even know, given your subjectivism, that these weren’t three different entities appearing to you in the same manner? I mean, you’ve already shown us that you have at least one astral parasite leading you about by the nose…
The Grey Alien Entities, is it possible that most people still don't understand ?
Why do I get the feeling you’ve been reading a lot of nonsense from the same club of crazies who say that Sitri is Set (there isn’t even an etymological connection here), Bael is Belzebuth, Lucifuge is Focalor and Lucifer is Satan. Hail Satan!
i dont even know who set is even though it sounds egypcian…
most things i know and learned were all in this past year and much of it was on my own…not through reading websites…
either on books…or with spirits.
that is why i say what i say, that all three are the same, because it is the same energy, i might be wrong! but please correct me then
Intersting that you should bring up Astaroth E A, one of the more inspiring moments which ignited a passion to fully evoke entities was when.I was up lat one night watching an episode of Thriller (old school black and white tv show similar to alfred hitchcocks show). I think the title was ‘Dark Legacy’, but anyway it was about a stage magician who zomehow got a hold of some cryptic grimoire and evoked Ashtaroth. Not really helpful information but just thought I’d throw that in there…
Difficult to say. Im honestly of the opinion that spirits are androgynous, but then i suppose their energy could be described as masculine or feminine…in my research various sources define Ashtaroth as both male and female.
I don’t understand what a boy, who’s calling himself a servant over and over again, is doing on this forum.
What are you doing here sunas? Other than trolling?
I am starting to think this is a test from BALG or someone else to see how active members minds work and handle people in general…People’s reactions actually speak volumes on their level of spiritual maturity…I find Sunas amusing in a psychological sense…I read some of the postings and just have to shake my head in astonishment…Is this man serious? Is his existence so dull? What a hysterical scenario it is that such powerful LHP practitioners are getting borderline homicidal over a rambling slave…By getting so irate, who is the real slave here? I thought that part of being a god entails the art of being or making one think you are unable to be provoked…Just a thought…
It could indeed be a test for the communicty. Though I think there may be a couple reasons on sunas end for him being here too and one of those is I think he’s here because …
On a waggon bound for market
theres a calf with a mournful eye. High above him theres a swallow,
winging swiftly through the sky.
How the winds are laughing,
they laugh with all their might.
Laugh and laugh the whole day through,
and half the summers night. Donna, Donna, Donna, Donna; Donna, Donna, Donna, Don. Donna, Donna, Donna, Donna; Donna, Donna, Donna, Don. "Stop complaining!“ said the farmer, Who told you a calf to be ? Why dont you have wings to fly with,
like the swallow so proud and free?“ + Chorus
Calves are easily bound and slaughtered,
never knowing the reason why.
But who ever treasures freedom,
like the swallow has learned to fly. + Chorus
I understand the concept of what your saying Sinata. I try to remind myself when getting stressed or pissed to ask “Is this how a god would act or think?” often this helps me put things in perspective. That being said every god has a wrathful side and can be provoked. Do I think someone like Sunas is worthy of the time and energy to destroy? Personally, no I don’t (I just enjoy counter-trolling for my own amusement) but others may see fit to for no other reason than to exert power or their own amusement.
I generally don’t attack often…I like to reserve my godlike abilities for special occasions…but, to each their own…foolish decisions are often made in haste be they of a spiritual or mundane nature…In general I have always been able to accomplish anything I set as a goal…that has somewhat contributed to my just because I can doesn’t mean that I will demeanor…some people have been misled to see that as a weakness when it is actually quite powerful…never underestimate being underestimated…
First i am not English and to be honest no matter how much you speak of that word, whenever anyone here speaks of the word Troll, i can only think of something that surely isn’t what it means…a Troll makes me feel like it is something coming out of a movie with elfs dwarfs and the likes of it…
Or a toll…from the bridge…
But a troll ? no i am not really used to hear the word and i can’t put a meaning to it and even if i wanted to, just going to google and search for it i know what the meaning would be, i just dont care…because i know that is not me and it is really not what i am here doing…even though, it is indeed what it looks like. Im here to learn…im here to share…im here to speak…and get to know people who know things i dont know…is it so hard to believe ? lol
[quote=“sunas, post:25, topic:1118”]i dont even know who set is even though it sounds egypcian…
most things i know and learned were all in this past year and much of it was on my own…not through reading websites…
either on books…or with spirits.
that is why i say what i say, that all three are the same, because it is the same energy, i might be wrong! but please correct me then[/quote]
As far as I know, Set is from the Egyptian group.
All three I dont think would be the same, as one reply stated, there might be a male and a female side to a deity, and different civilizations could and do view them differently in terms of their role for that society, or subgroups within the society.
Thats what I think anyway, although I’m a newbie in all of this.
I understand the concept of what your saying Sinata. I try to remind myself when getting stressed or pissed to ask “Is this how a god would act or think?” often this helps me put things in perspective. That being said every god has a wrathful side and can be provoked. Do I think someone like Sunas is worthy of the time and energy to destroy? Personally, no I don’t (I just enjoy counter-trolling for my own amusement) but others may see fit to for no other reason than to exert power or their own amusement.[/quote]
Question on this, I am trying to get myself to read up on some of the ancient civilizations, in how their gods were in character and works, and I think several had a trickster side to them, which ones in the more ancient east were like that?
I must admit I know nothing of Astaroth in experience.
The only thing i know is that i am 99% sure that i used a sigil for Astaroth and i ended up speaking with someone really powerful and strong who really didnt like me calling it Astaroth but Astarte instead.
In my experiences with Astaroth, Ive noticed a really strange mix of male/female, warping back and forth between the two with different attributes. A very female face but speaking with very masculine sentence structures, or sometimes appearing surrounded in flames but with a very motherly personality. It really seems to depend on the situation, which makes sense…if a being that ancient really has no gender, then the aspects of each could be freely used according what the situation calls for.
That said, I never know whether to address as “him” or “her”…kinda like “pat” from SNL